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Episode 03 | SAFETY AND...Sailing with Fred Crossley by LAPCO FR

SAFETY AND...Sailing:

Lauren talks with ex-professional sailor & Safety obsessed media manager for Canadian Occupational Safety, Fred Crossley. Tune in as they discuss the upcoming Women in Safety Event, inspirational women, crazy sailing stories, and build a yacht rock playlist.


This podcast is sponsored by LAPCO manufacturing. LAPCO: premium workwear since 1989.

Lauren Brizendine  0:27 

Hey, everyone, welcome to safety and a laughing and learning podcast where we talk about safety and whatever else is on your mind, a podcast that my dad gave five stars, but said you're way too excited all the time. But I am your host, Lauren Brizendine. And the reason why I'm thrilled today is because I am with our first international guest, Mr. Fred Crossley. Hello, how are you?

Fred Crossley  0:57 

I'm very well, Lauren, how's it going?

Lauren Brizendine  1:00 

It's going great. And today we are talking about safety and sailing. So this is kind of crazy. Not only are you a safety enthusiast and manager of the largest safety publication and producer of Canada's Women in Safety event []. Yeah, but you are also a professional sailor, or was it professional sailor at some point, correct?

canadian occupational safety's event "Women in Safety"
Women in Safety is part of Canadian Occupational Safety’s ongoing mission to recognize, celebrate and boost the careers of women in the profession, as well as to inspire the next generation of leaders.

Fred Crossley 1:29
Yeah, it's kind of a crazy, you know, couple of things to mash together. But there's some similarities between them. And I'm excited to talk about it.

Lauren Brizendine 1:40
Well, I want to jump right into it. I want to hear the wild story of how someone goes from being a professional sailor to now the head honcho over this huge publication working on all these different events. Tell us tell us a little bit about your career path.

Fred Crossley 2:00
Sure. I mean, it was mostly timing and coincidence, really, I grew up in the on the Atlantic coast of Canada, you know, my father had a sailboat growing up. And that's just what we did as a family growing up. And I really took to the water early on, and started racing sailboats, and coaching kids and eventually decided that it's all I really wanted to do. So, I made a career and became an officer working on large privately owned luxury yachts. And after, you know, seven years of that, I was a little bit burnt out, relocated to Toronto, Ontario, where I live now and, and actually got a job producing American conferences and a bunch of different industries, then made a switch over to my current company, key media, which owns a whole bunch of different industry publications, and events. And they thought I'd be a good fit to run the safety portfolio, which is Canadian Occupational Safety magazine website and our events portfolio. It's, you know, the largest and longest running safety publication in the country. 2021 is our 59th year in production. It's crazy. Yeah, we're almost we're almost six decades, which is crazy, I have people, who are my dad's age that still know, this publication and used to advertise with it back in the 70s. And even before that, but yeah, it's just never been a better time to be in safety. And there's so much going on.

Lauren Brizendine 3:39
We know and as I think about it, maybe it's not such a huge leap, after all, I mean, I could imagine sailing, interesting, some of the photographs you've shared with me, I'm thinking these people certainly have some safety protocols they follow. So, I guess, you kind of connect with safety after sailing, it's really maybe not as huge of a jump as it might seem initially.

Fred Crossley 4:06
No, not at all. I mean, the safety management systems on some of these really large yachts are not unlike a safety management system that you would see at a large manufacturing or construction or oil and gas company. We really value preparedness, and especially when you're out on the open ocean, it's just an absolute imperative. It's so important to be safe and to follow the process. And it's really not that big of a leap, even though the setting might be a little bit different, you know?

Lauren Brizendine 4:40
Yeah. Well, I mentioned the women in safety show and I definitely want to talk a little bit about that. And also, maybe some of the other events that you're planning right now, why don’t you tell our listeners more about that.

Fred Crossley 4:55
Sure. Yeah, we're gearing up for our second women and safety event. It's coming up march, march 9, virtually. And it is the largest diversity focused event. It's a crucial building event for women and safety in Canada. But due to COVID, we are doing it virtually this year. And it's accessible by anyone across the world, and in North America. So, I'd encourage anyone to take part if they're interested in, you know, diversity in the industry and also helping to, you know, be a better ally, and help close that gap. And we're producing a bunch of other events, too. We have five events this year, a safety leaders’ event, which is going to be senior safety professionals’ at large construction, manufacturing oil and gas, energy healthcare companies. And we also do an annual black-tie award show as well in the fall. And we are going to launch a couple of products in the US market as well. They're all TBD right now. So, I'm going to leave you guys with a little bit of mystery, but we're going to break into the US market as well. Because there's just so much work to be done. And we're excited about that this year as well.

Lauren Brizendine 6:09
Now, are they all virtual events? Are you planning to do some in person events?

Fred Crossley 6:14
We'll see. You know, it really just depends on geography and the COVID situation, you know, being a health and safety publication. And it's important that that's our number one priority is keeping people safe, it would be a really bad look, if we if we didn't do that. So right now, our events are planned virtually. But as soon as it's, it's possible to do so we cannot wait to get back to face to face events. So, we can actually see people's faces again and shake hands. And you know that that human connection is really important. And something that I think we've missed a lot over the last year.

Lauren Brizendine 6:54
Well, I do want to ask a little bit about virtual events. I mean, how is that going for you guys? Because I know, I've been a part of one. And you know what, I was surprised? I thought it was okay. To your point I missed a little bit of the more of the interaction, it was a different interaction. But what kind of what are you like seeing and hearing about the virtual events? Are people responding? Well,

Fred Crossley 7:25
yeah, I mean, the overall sentiment is that it's, it's, it's been well received, I, you know, there's a need for solution providers and vendors in the safety space to still connect with, with safety professionals and potential clients. So, you know, that that need is always there. And because of COVID, a lot of companies have had to re allocate their events, budgets to other things. And, you know, when we first started, it was a little bit of a learning curve for everybody, for the sponsors for the delegates, everyone kind of had to learn quickly how to switch into this virtual mode. And some people were uncomfortable with it, or we had some, you know, fumbles with some platforms and whatnot. But our parent companies are a pretty established media company. So, we were able to iron out the kinks really fast, you know, fail quickly learn what, what needs to be changed, and we've run over 50 events since last March. And we've kind of got the model down now we've got our platforms that we use, we've got everything in place that I can run buttery, smooth. And, you know, now that now that it's going well, we're seeing some real value for our attendees, and for our sponsors. So, the tone is definitely changed. I think a lot of people are kind of at their limit of, of virtual events. Many people have done a lot over the last six months, but it's still a necessity, you know, people still have to connect, vendors still have to connect with clients and it's still something that's important in the industry.

Lauren Brizendine 9:12
I would say it's definitely getting better. You know, with every single one I attend, it's always getting better. So, I think for sure, even with hybrid events, you know, I hear a lot about that in the future as well. I think that'll be

Fred Crossley 9:26
interesting. And I think that's, you know, how it'll, it'll ease back it won't just be a light switch next day everyone goes back to in person events, I think there's going to be a slow transition, you know, which we'll start to kind of hybrid events, and maybe, you know, more localized stuff and, and then eventually we'll, we'll get our way back to doing in person events and, and I would imagine some of the stronger virtual events will stay or you know, companies that do regular safety events will do both, you know, they'll do have a series of Virtual events throughout the year and then have their big, you know, safety events in person, like the ones that we're all used to going to.

Lauren Brizendine 10:09
Well, I want to talk a little bit specifically about women in safety. And what can you look forward to with this up-and-coming event? You said it is going to be March 9, nine? That's correct. Yeah. And this is important, because March is International Women's month. So, to have a safety show, I mean, what, what are we going to what are we going to see at the show,

Fred Crossley 10:34
I mean, women in safety were a smash when we launched it last year in Calgary, this is a peer led career building event for women and, and all people really, who support diversity and health and safety. It's it is virtual this year, as we know, and as I said, anybody, you know, across the world can take part in this content. So, it's not just specific to Canada by any means. And we're really just looking to deliver good content and some actionable takeaways to work on balancing out the gender gap and to bring more diversity to the safety industry. And there's so much groundswell about this right now. And we've had such a positive response from, from females and for males, both who work in this industry who want to see more platforms and more opportunities to develop their, their female workforce, and we just expect a good event. And if so, if people can come away with one good takeaway, or a couple of good connections, or a new vendor to work with, and then that'll be a win for us. Mostly, we're just looking to connect great minded safety people together.

Lauren Brizendine 11:45
You're kind of touching on it. But you know, I was curious, as you know, why is important to be a part of this event. I know that for us, as you know, the lab co brand, women are a huge part of, of a focus for us. I mean, we often were surprised at how we may be forgotten that women in safety have, you know, we need special clothes, they need certain fits. So, I'm glad you're kind of touching on why it's important to be a part of this event, because I mean, women and safety was just such a growing market and such an important idea.

Fred Crossley 12:26
Yeah, I mean, big time, there's never been a more important time for health and safety right now. You know, with COVID kind of thrust the average safety professional into the spotlight a lot more than usual. And, you know, certainly just the climate in our culture. Now, companies are realizing how important diversity is, you know, not only for their people and culture, but as well as their bottom line. And that's why so many, you know, companies like lap co have a have a women's line or specific PP tailored to women, because there is such a growing demand for it. And, you know, 1520 years ago there, there wasn't those options for females working in the industry. So, it's, it's just a win for everyone.

Lauren Brizendine 13:14
I love it. Well, I have to kind of laugh a little bit, because before we were talking, I was we were talking about yacht rock. And I was like, can I have yacht rock? Right. And you were like, yeah, like we same thing? Absolutely. Definitely, some similarities and some differences within the US and Canadian markets, with regard to safety with regards to women and safety. So, I wanted to kind of touch upon that a little bit with you and what you think those similarities are? And those differences are?

Fred Crossley 13:55
Yeah, I mean, there's, there's not a lot of major differences in, in my experience, I'll be super honest, I am not a safety professional, you know, I just work in in the, the space, and I just speak with and work with safety professionals in a bunch of different industries every day. So, you know, I'm by no means a veteran authority on this. But, you know, just from, from what I see, in the industry, there's not really a whole lot of difference from the needs of a safety professional in Canada versus the US. You know, our country countries do share a ton of culture. There are some subtle differences here and there, but the needs of an occupational health and safety manager on the ground of a construction or manufacturing or oil and gas company, are going to be very similar to someone who's working in Alberta versus somebody who's working in Texas. You know, the systems are all very similar. It's just the weather's a little bit different. Yeah,

Lauren Brizendine 14:55
well, we all like yacht rock. I mean, we know that's a similarity. Totally.

Fred Crossley 14:59
Steely Dan, little bit of Doobie Brothers never heard anybody, it's all good.

Lauren Brizendine 15:05
Definitely. Yeah, I know, off the top of my head, I know that you guys there could be like some of the compliance standards sometimes are a little bit different. But for sure, I would say that is true of every country and international standard. So, but in terms of those core needs, like you said, I mean, I don't think that there's a huge, a huge difference there.

Fred Crossley 15:32
Yeah, but yeah, you nailed it, for sure. I mean, there's going to be different legal requirements and, and compliance things for people to adhere to. And those depend very much state to state and nationally and province by province for sure. But, you know, at the end of the day safety, people have to manage a wide variety of different circumstances and make sure that the job gets done, but everybody gets home to their loved one safe. And there's a lot of things going on. So, you know, that is something that we share in common.

Lauren Brizendine 16:07
Definitely, well, what can people do to advocate for more women in safety kind of the way you have and, and through the events.

Fred Crossley 16:20
You know, just by being a supporter and kind of pushing the needle forward and pushing the conversation, I think is a start, I do believe that it requires some top level buy in. So, you really need that, that C suite buy in from your company and or from your people and culture department to have that diversity focus that trickles down to every person and every process in the company. And that's another, you know, a topic that we do discuss and was really popular at the event last year was how to get C-level buy in for some of these diversity, inclusion efforts in your company. So, I think it's really important to start at the top. And once you've got that, that executive buy in, then the conversation flows so much easier, and you're not fighting an uphill battle. And everybody then understands that diversity is, you know, a pillar of how your company works. And it's going to make the people and culture better. And it's going to improve the bottom line as well. So

Lauren Brizendine 17:22
definitely, it's funny, you talked about the C suite and kind of the executive level, I was able to learn a new term for women in the C suite called ci Oh, which I felt so

Unknown Speaker 17:38
that's amazing.

Fred Crossley 17:41
I love I love. Yeah, I love some catchy marketing terms. There's so many new ones that I pick up all the time. But that's, that's amazing. I love it.

Lauren Brizendine 17:50
Yeah, I like that the little, you know, like the sheetfed, and all that fun stuff. So, it's good to know that it's making its way to the executive vernacular, for sure. I'd like to get a little personal with you, if you don't mind. But tell us about some of the women who inspire you. Again, I mentioned it's International Women's month, if you want to tell me about some of the men who inspire you, I'm okay with that too. But just talking a little bit, you know, trying to tie it together.

Fred Crossley 18:23
Sure. Yeah. I mean, is it is it cheesy for me to play the mom card and say my mom,

Lauren Brizendine 18:28
uh, please play the mom card. Mom not inspiring you then I don't even know what's going on. Because I know my mom is my favorite woman in my life. So

Fred Crossley 18:38
for sure, I think that it’s going to have to be the top of my list. I mean, you know, my mom was a registered nurse. She's a kindergarten teacher and an entrepreneur for most of her career. And, you know, the one thing that I remember most is that she was so ahead of her time, you know, for that generation in terms of both people with being a mom, mother to two boys, and also just an ambitious career woman, you know, she went around the world teaching nursing to a whole bunch of different cultures. I actually did all of grade two and half of grade three in the Middle East and in Jordan, with my brother because my mom was teaching some nursing practices to early childhood educators in the Middle East, which is crazy for you know, someone at that time to want to go to the to the foreign country and, and, and do this kind of project when they had two kids, but she's brought us along, and has always been an inspiration to me for sure. And definitely ahead of her time.

Lauren Brizendine 19:48
Yeah, you know, my mom often tells me, you know, like, it's because of women like me that you can work and make the money that you make her and she actually Well, not actually I take it back, not her but another woman mentor told me that when she started work, women couldn't even wear pants to the office. And so, she was telling me She's like, it's women like me that make you able to wear your athleisure pants to work. That is insane to me. But yes, like, how fantastic is that?

Fred Crossley 20:27
I can't even imagine but she's been such a strong inspiration to me. And I'm sure to a lot a lot of other people as well.

Lauren Brizendine 20:37
Anyone else in your life? Any sisters or cool aunts.

Fred Crossley 20:42
Yeah, I mean, I definitely. I definitely have a cool dad. But, but I'm going to have to leave it, you know, squarely on her as the as the as the top dog for now. 

Lauren Brizendine 20:55
Yeah, for sure. Well, we are going to do a bit of a deeper dive that is a pun intended, I actually wrote that joke, I hope everyone is laughing. I do want to do a deeper dive into your sailing hobby, and talk a little bit more about maybe other things you like to do for fun, and specifically how safety plays a role in that. I know we talked a little bit about that at the beginning. But again, I'm doing a deeper dive and trying to make my job work.

Fred Crossley 21:25
I for sure.

Fred Crossley 21:27
It's right, it's right. Third time's a charm. I'm sure somebody's loving. I love it. I love the dad jokes. It's great. Yeah, I mean, I, I do tons of stuff for fun outside of work. But sailing certainly dominates it, the water and the sunshine definitely dominate things. You know, one thing that working on the ocean that has taught me is just the need for preparedness, you know, having some formal systems in place and just being prepared to deal with a lot of unforeseen circumstances means you can do things a lot more relaxed, you know, I mean, it's safety, super important on the water, and certainly on a large ocean-going boat. And although, you know, yachting and working, boots on the ground as a safety professional couldn't be any different looking the processes, and that that idea of safety every day, is always an it's always a similarity. So,

Lauren Brizendine 22:30
definitely. Well, I do want to talk a little bit more about sailing, but I always like to give our guests an opportunity to kind of close the door on if there's anything you want to say additional about the upcoming show you have going on. or any of the shows you have going on or just any you know, life advice. I mean,

Fred Crossley 22:56
oh geez, I don't know if you need any life advice from me. Geez.

Lauren Brizendine 23:00
Right. I'm not saying that about you. I'm saying that about myself.

Fred Crossley 23:04
I mean, I I'm just really happy to be working in this space. The people are, are wonderful. I've met so many, you know, caring hardworking people in in a whole bunch of different industries all over North America. And I'm really just looking forward to this year, I think there's a lot of optimism, you know, regarding the health and safety situation around COVID. And, and the tide turning on that and looking forward to the events that we're running. I mean it you don't have to be in Canada to get some great content these days. Everything's so digitally connected. And I encourage everybody to, to, you know, check out CLS Canadian occupational safety, check out some of our events and you know, get ready for some, some content or some media or some events coming to a geography near you.

Lauren Brizendine 23:53
I cannot wait I know 2022 is going to be exciting for us in the US, but I will be keeping a pulse on all the things that you guys got going up. north of us.

Fred Crossley 24:07
Nice. Yeah, it's going to be a good couple of years. Once we get everything smoothed out. It's going to be like the new roaring 20s, I've heard it's going to be like a renaissance, people are going to come into their house. There's going to be house parties in the street, people are going to be hugging everyone, it's going to be great.

Lauren Brizendine 24:22
So, I, you know, I'm going to go on like a short tangent. But I am all about that. Like, I'm so glad you mentioned the Renaissance because I have felt that for so long that you know, after this, like, the bubonic plague or whatever it was. And I already see that happening in New Orleans because they're doing what's called Yardi Gras. Okay, Mardi Gras was canceled, and everyone's been like decorating their yards and I'm like, this is a result of COVID like this is a result of the new normal and you know what, I'm here for it. I'm so sure Bart is so cute.

Fred Crossley 25:04
Send me a picture.

Lauren Brizendine 25:07
Oh yeah, I will. You know I in every episode I say I'm going to put stuff in the show notes. I really don't know how to do that Tiffany I hope you can put stuff in the show notes for me. But yes, I will definitely send a picture because it is just wild how creative people are getting and I'm really excited to be a part of it. I agree that you know, 2021 will be transitional yet very optimistic for sure. For sure.

Fred Crossley 25:37
Yeah, it's going to get a lot better soon.

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Lauren Brizendine 26:44
Now we are going to just talk about sailing. You said you've been doing it since you were a kid. And I mean, how did you really get into it? I know you said you were kind of just, you know, always doing it, but and you wanted to do it forever. But I mean, I don't know, I think it's such a cool a cool story of just how does someone get into sailing? Like, do I just wake up one day and go to my local Marina?

Fred Crossley 27:13
Yeah, I mean, that's, that's one way to do it, that's for sure. One way to do it, it's tough, you know, we, we, in the sailing community, we're trying to make the sport more accessible for everybody and, and, and do it just like, you know, soccer or basketball or football would you know, and that's starting people in in really young and they kind of fall in love with it and then grow up with the sport. And it's, it's great because it's truly a lifelong activity, you know, you can, you can sail a whole bunch of different ways that a whole bunch of different levels from six years old to 86 years old. And I got into it just because of my dad, you know, he had a boat. And he taught me how to sail early on and through me and sailing lessons, you know, at summer camp at a really young age. And, you know, the first couple of days I was kicking and screaming, I was like Dad, this is super lame, I don't want to go to sailing but there's just something about it, you know, I had a, an older brother, who I really looked up to and still do. He's, he's amazing. And he was really into it. And I saw him kind of traveling the world traveling around and sailing in all these different places and racing his own boat, and I'd had all these really cool friends and they were you know, going to cool parties and all tanned in the sun. And there's something about it that really caught my heart and, and I just loved it right away. And it's beautiful to be out on the water. Regardless of you know, if you're, if your boat is small or big, or power or sail or whatever. There's just something really therapeutic and fun about being out on the water.

Lauren Brizendine 28:54
I'm sure those Polo pop collars and you were like, I got to have some of that.

Fred Crossley 29:03
There is there's definitely there's definitely a time and a place for you know, polos and cocktails. But, you know, we're trying to shed that, that that image, you know, of the old school, you know, Yacht Club, click and, and just try to make the sport More, more, more fun and casual and accessible to everybody. And I think that's where it's going now. And if you look at the competitive side of the sport to the leisure side of it as well, but yeah, there's certainly you know, a time in place for a good old cocktail party and some blue and white stripes and some Sperry topsiders. That's for sure.

Lauren Brizendine 29:42
Oh, yeah. Well, that's, that's where my mind goes. But can you give our listeners like kind of like a sailing 101 maybe?

Fred Crossley 29:52
Sure. Yeah. I mean, there's so much and so many different things to do.

Fred Crossley 30:00

Fred Crossley 30:02
yeah, I can, I'll give you a little bit of a rundown. I mean, the sport is huge. There's so many different ways to participate in it, you know, you can do competitive racing on small dinghies, or just at your local Marina or Yacht Club, they will usually have weekday or weekend races that you can just hop on board and learn a few things and be a crew for free. There's also the whole cruising and leisure side of it and fishing where you can just get a boat of your own or rent a boat if you live near any sort of water at all and, and enjoy it that way. And then there's the commercial side as well. So, everything from commercial oil tankers to the private side, where I worked, where it's just privately owned yachts that have full-time year-round staff. And there's just a lot of different avenues that you can go down and of course, it's an Olympic sport as well. And it's an it's a grand prix sport. We're competing for the America's Cup right now. That's going on in New Zealand. And there's a lot of different parts to it. But you know, sailings great I think the only bit of advice I'd give is, is you know, wear some sunscreen go easy on the beers and keep the shiny side up and the dirty side in the water.

Lauren Brizendine 31:27
Oh, that's good advice. I mean I guess you would have to learn how to drive the boat know how to tie knots know how to direct when navigation know how to use a compass. I mean, I don't know if I know how to do these. But yeah,

Fred Crossley 31:46
I mean, for sure. The basics are, are not super hard to get, you know, give it one weekend out there and you'll be you'll be sailing around by herself. The only thing you need to know is you can't sail straight into the water straight into the wind. You got to zigzag a little bit. And then other than that, just go with somebody who knows something and you're sure to have a good time.

Lauren Brizendine 32:08
What next time I'm in Canada, you'll need to take me on a lap or whatever. 

Fred Crossley 32:15
Absolutely. Lake Ontario one down. Yeah, you're welcome to.

Lauren Brizendine 32:19
In the after times, maybe when we travel again. Now I'm sure I've gotten some crazy stories. You know, I think about being in a boat around here. I'm scared of an alligator. Maybe if there's a shark's tail or I don't know maybe just maybe another fun story maybe you've met someone famous on a yacht maybe someone famous fell and got bitten by a shark I don't know I feel like the possibilities are endless with what kind of stories you might have.

Fred Crossley 32:50
Yeah, we had one that that I really wanted to share I was in Miami and our owner was live in Key Biscayne Miami is a really nice community I'm just outside of the of the of the city downtown and city and we wanted to do a cocktail party for 250 people and that's a lot of people for you know a boat and I'll be at the boat was 200 feet long but still it's a lot of bodies and a lot of moving around so we were a little worried that we'd be kind of at capacity and there might be some safety issues but we had a lot of a lot of a lot of guests at not much prep and our boss wanted to get ice sculptures for each of the three decks outside so we got these ice sculptures delivered you know this is this is Miami in May. So you can imagine it's super-hot you know 86 degrees and we get these ice sculptures on board pack everybody on there a bunch of finance people, the bosses friends a few players from the Miami Heat when they were big at the time and yeah, we went out had a great job or had a great time I should say my only job was to make sure that nobody fell off the boat you know, nobody had too much to drink and fell off into the middle of Miami harbor because it's you could lose somebody pretty quick right? And so, I'm doing my job you know keeping it keeping a ton of making sure everybody's being safe having a good time. And I hear this splash and I was like oh my god my one job was to make sure that no one fell off this boat and I look over expecting to see you know a body that I'm going to have to fish out or get one of the guys to jump in the tender and fish them out of the water but it was all three of the ice sculptures and simultaneously melted, cracked off and fell over the boat and splashed into the ocean. very relieved. made it back to the boat. Everybody had a great time. Everybody, nobody lost shoes. Nobody lost their lunch. Nobody got wet. It was great.

Lauren Brizendine 35:01
Well originally the way the story was being set up I was waiting for like a titanic situation.

Fred Crossley 35:08
my God

Lauren Brizendine 35:10
really heavy boat there ice sculptures involved this story.

Fred Crossley 35:16
I just I just I just feel bad for the for the boss who ordered these ice sculptures. I mean it was his bad for thinking that these things would last in 86-degree heat in Miami for more than an hour, but they were dripping water just absolutely pouring water off there. And eventually they just fell apart and fell off the boat.

Lauren Brizendine 35:34
Yeah, maybe he didn't think through the pros and cons of that. What a great story. Well, thank you so much, Fred, for talking with us about safety and sailing. Best of luck on the upcoming event. And I do want to close with the fun thing that we do here on the podcast. And the fun thing we're doing today. I've called it Fantasy Island. And it's basically just kind of a who, what, where, if you know you got stranded on a deserted island, what might that look like? So, the first thing I'm going to ask you is kind of if you could get stranded anywhere, where would it be? Because I'm thinking for me Fiji, I'm going to need like waterfalls, but each and some rocks and some of the pictures you sent. Were very pictures. So, wherever that's at. We'll go there as well.

Fred Crossley 36:43
I think one of those pictures might have been Fiji but you know, I got to say the Galapagos Islands. I did have the opportunity to go there a couple of times. It's a couple 100 miles off the west coast of Panama and it's incredible it's like no other place on Earth. It truly looks like a different planet. It's like black volcanic, you know, Rocky Island but also has this you know, tropical vibe to it and it doesn't look like the Caribbean that we're used to. It doesn't look like the Gulf. It's amazing has giant, you know, 100 year old tortoises and huge lizards that that are all over the place seals bathing everywhere, but still has you know enough of a city to make it seem fun and you're not totally remote but not a whole lot of people get to go there or choose to go there and amazing diving, amazing snorkeling, amazing hiking, so if you ever have the chance to go to the Galapagos Islands, please go it's truly breathtaking.

Lauren Brizendine 37:51
You're making me kind of changed my Fantasy Island for your fantasy.

Fred Crossley 37:56
But hey, Fiji is awesome too. Don't do it.

Lauren Brizendine 38:04
Okay, so who would be on your island? Now? I hate to say this for me. I think it's just me for a minute. Like, I'm going to be on my island by myself. I know. They say no man is an island. But for one week, I could be by myself. I think that would be nice. I think eventually I'd call my friends. But who would you want to be on your Fantasy Island?

Fred Crossley 38:27
hmm yeah, I mean, I I'd have to say I would enjoy being there alone for a little bit. I'd have to bring along my partner Rebecca. She's amazing. And I think her and I would make a nice little beach shack somewhere and probably sail home off of some homemade boat like Castaway. But if I if I can get all fantasy with you, I'd want to bring back from the dead john Lennon and I would like to spend some time on a deserted island with john Lennon.

Lauren Brizendine 39:04
Yes, I'm borrowing him.

Fred Crossley 39:06
And I could write a new album. That's what I like.

Lauren Brizendine 39:11
Yeah, oh, they're going to have to swim over the mile. They leave you and Rebecca for sure. Okay, so what kind of creature comforts are on this island. I know I need to finish reading a book. And I have to have my paint in Canvas because I do love to paintings. And if I'm being 100% honest, probably some Wi Fi but only towards the end. So, I can see some of my videos and listen to my podcast, but only when I'm getting ready to get off the island, but for sure that you might have there.

Fred Crossley 39:49
I like a coffee grinder and maybe a record player. I think those are the two essentials that I might want to have on there. I don't think I could go too long without a good cup of coffee. It might make the experience a little bit more enjoyable. And, and record collection for sure. And a record player just because I think a nice tropical island would be a good place to dive deep into some music and, and really feel what it's about.

Lauren Brizendine 40:18
I'm going to get I'm going to add a guitar so john Lennon will have something to play. I like your idea of music. I'm like, Yes, I'm doing well,

Fred Crossley 40:27
I think so.

Lauren Brizendine 40:28
Okay. Speaking of music, okay, we're going to make a Fantasy Island playlist, right? So, I want you to give me if you can three yacht rock songs, right, that are going to be on your playlist. I'll share with you mine.

Fred Crossley 40:45
Okay, and then

Lauren Brizendine 40:46
I'll give you and then we'll do three just kind of regular like bands or songs that are on the playlists.

Fred Crossley 40:53
Okay, I like that. Are you going first or am I going first?

Lauren Brizendine 40:59
No. Are you ready? I mean, I'm ready. If you need time to think about it.

Fred Crossley 41:04
Yeah, you go first. I I'm going to need 10 more seconds.

Lauren Brizendine 41:09
All right, so on my yacht rock playlist. I'm definitely doing the song baby comeback. Because Yes, mom loves this song. It makes me laugh because she loves it so much. That I would just have to hear it because I just love her. That I think I would need a song from Queen like radio Gaga. I do need kind of my abs glam rock yacht fix for sure. Do you want some kind of Queen situation? Yeah, man for the pure dad joke of it all. But also, the BGS aspects staying alive. Yeah.

Fred Crossley 41:54
Both for entertainment value and just for survival instinct. You got to stay alive on an on a deserted island.

Fred Crossley 42:02
Big time.

Lauren Brizendine 42:03
A lot of bang for my buck with that one.

Fred Crossley 42:07
Okay, so I got my three. Are you ready?

Lauren Brizendine 42:09
Yes, let's do it.

Fred Crossley 42:11
I'm going to start with Steely Dan reeling in the years. That that's just you know, Steely Dan is a great, a great addition to any yacht rock playlist. I'm going to go with Doobie Brothers What a fool believes that is just an amazing song. I mean, I don't care what generation you're from that is just a classic and it is age ages so well. And I'm going to go jamming by Bob Marley because that's just a class. And you can't you can't go wrong. And I always think of like tropical beaches. I always think of Jamaica. So, I think

Lauren Brizendine 42:52
I don't know which one I'll get rid of. But I might just have to add something. Were you on that list? That's a good one. Now, in terms of just other music you would have to have I mean, obviously, I think I would need some Beatles on my playlist. Some Duran Duran, maybe some Pantera just on those days where the fire doesn't light. You know, what other music would you have on your playlist?

Fred Crossley 43:21
You know, I probably put some Led Zeppelin on there. I used to be a big Zeppelin fan when I was a teenager. I also love classic 90s hip hop so I do like A Tribe Called Quest or some Jurassic Five or you know even some Dr. Dre I think we would make it on there some Snoop Dogg. So, I think those things are important to me and I definitely add those to our Island playlist.

Lauren Brizendine 43:46
All right, well, I'm going to end with one more question. Sure. I hadn't even thought of it. So, it's a little bit of a I don't know what I'm going to say. What are we calling your Fantasy Island?

Fred Crossley 44:00
Like, like if we if we wanted to make a new

Lauren Brizendine 44:03
Like so if someone was like, you can have this island everything you just said I'm going to give it to you. I think I'm just going to call mine Lauren's family paradise. I mean, I'm just

Fred Crossley 44:16
I was going to use the word paradise where Paradise Island I mean there already is. At least one Paradise Island that I know of. I'm sure there's going to be more, but I'll use the paradise word as well and just call Paradise Island. Yeah, sounds great. Let's go right now.

Lauren Brizendine 44:32
Oh, gosh. Right. Like all this just makes me realize I want to vacation more than anything right now. To Lauren Morgan's Island or Lauren's paradise. Well, Fred, I appreciate this. This has been so fun. I especially loved the little game at the end. It's always fun. To not only have the serious side of everything and what we do for a living, but also learn about people. And what we do on our personal time, so I appreciate you and thank you. And Hey, Dad, I'm so excited because you are our first international guest. So

Fred Crossley 45:11
It's amazing. Yeah. So, so very honored to be here. And thank you, Lauren, for having me on here. Thanks to Lapco. Really appreciate this, and hopefully we'll talk again soon.

Lauren Brizendine 45:24
Special thanks to Fred crossly producer of the up-and-coming women in safety show, along with other events and manager of Canada's largest safety publication for being on our show today.

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