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Episode 09 | Safety And… Acronyms with John Newquist by LAPCO FR

Safety And... Acronyms: 

Lauren talks with John Newquist MS, CSP, OHST, CHST, CIT who has worked in safety standards and safety training for over 35 years and is a Partner at Newquist Safety. Listen as they discuss Safety, Acronyms, PPE, OSHA 1910.132 Standard, and take a quiz on 2021's Coolest Internet Abbreviations.





This podcast is sponsored by LAPCO Manufacturing. LAPCO: premium workwear since 1989.




0:00:28.3 Lauren Brizendine: Hello everyone and welcome to Safety And..., a laughing and learning podcast where we talk about safety and whatever else is on your mind. And today I am talking safety and acronyms with John Newquist, who is a partner at Newquist Safety, but most importantly, has a slew of acronyms behind his name, like; MS, CSP, CHST, so many. Welcome, John, to our show.


0:01:04.0 John Newquist: Welcome.


0:01:04.8 LB: I wanna just jump right into it. You have quite a resume of certifications and acronyms that follow your name, so tell us a little bit more about just all of your credentials and specifically what you do as it relates to safety? 


0:01:26.6 JN: Alright. Well, I'll start with the history. I started out in college and I took a Safety major, a Safety Engineering and Fire Protection major. And in 1983, I took a job with OSHA and I worked there for 29 years, and I did everything I did field compliance work. I worked at the OSHA Training Institute. I also worked with the different area offices and ran those, and then went to the Chicago regional office as assistant regional administrator. When Dr. Michaels was head of OSHA, I worked with him.


0:01:56.5 JN: So, the MS is the Master of Science and Industrial Management. The CSP is Certified Safety Professional. The CHST is the Construction Health and Safety Technician. OSHT is Occupational Health and Safety Technician, and then the CIT is Certified Instructional Trainer.


0:02:13.9 LB: Yeah, so that is rather impressive, and I must say I'm a fan because I read some of your articles that you've written, and that's how I came across your path. Now, I think I know what OSHA means, but... I hope I do. [chuckle] But for some of our maybe newer listeners or younger listeners, can you tell everyone what OSHA stands for, and basically what exactly maybe is OSHA, for those who are new to the safety world? 


0:02:50.3 JN: Well, OSHA is a Department of Labor agency, and it's there designed to protect the worker from getting hurt at work. So, they set standards, they work with employers, they work with unions, and they try to sit there and create an area of knowledge where they're gonna have rules that the employer has to follow, as well as set some guidance and help them out through the web pages and give training and information through grants and other things.


0:03:15.6 JN: They recognize top employers through their voluntary protection program. I got to work with a lot of those programs. OSHA, if they do cite the penalties, they go into the Treasury, they don't get any dime of it, their budget's appropriated by the Congress. And it's a good agency. It really has a lot of information out there.


0:03:37.4 JN: I know you're interested in arc flash quite a bit, so I did some research on it. We're averaging 45 to 52 arc flashes a year in the last five years, and it's just still too many. And these are the ones that go to hospitals, you know? 


0:03:51.2 JN: Yeah. But it's interesting, you said you've been with OSHA for 29 years. That's quite a long time. I'm curious as to how you've seen safety evolve, and have you written any specific standards or are there any that are near and dear to your heart? 


0:04:11.8 JN: Well, there's a Standards office in DC, and I worked with a lot on the fall protection standard with a lady named Barbara Beilaski. Almost for 30 years, we worked on this. I was on the Industry committee that started fall protection for harnesses and lanyards, and we were a group of 12 people, and we put out a guidance in '91, and then OSHA took it and made it law in '96.


0:04:34.3 JN: I worked there for 25 years, and then I retired from the committee. 'Cause it was about 80 people by the time I left, and I thought, "Well, it's hard to get into the committee, everybody wants to be in there, so I'll give up my spot," and I was glad to do it and let them do the work too. They did a great job.


0:04:52.8 JN: And like I said, some of the things I did when I was at the OSHA Training Institute, we always had this issue and I'm gonna... I know you got interest in electrical. I was in the field and we would get these arc flashes, and we didn't really have a good guidance on what to do. There wasn't a clear set of standards.


0:05:14.2 JN: And so, they were gonna take this new standard called NFPA 78. And I remember having to go to the IBW, which is the International Brotherhood Electrical Workers Union, and the NECA National Electrical Contractor Association in Knoxville, and tell them that we are going to, as OSHA, start enforcing the provisions of this to protect the workers.


0:05:30.8 JN: It was a fairly good set of documents, it wasn't perfect, but that started the whole journey onto the arc flash. We could use what they call a General Duty Clause under the OSHA Act, that can cite for not having a safe and healthful workplace. And then eventually OSHA passed an industry and electrical safety standard under 1910, 333 to 337, they kinda dealt with this whole arc flash issue. And in construction, they would use the general training provisions and competent person and program requirements.


0:06:03.9 LB: Well, it's nice to talk to someone who has been such a pioneer in that, because to your point, I mean here at LAPCO, a lot of our products are tailored for that market, for the electric utilities market. We also have industry in oil and gas as well, and PetroChem. But what are the specific industries that you've worked with? 'Cause I'm sure they meet the gamut. But even more so, which ones have you been the most passionate about? 


0:06:36.1 JN: I think it's more about the topic. I worked with industrial and construction and process safety in the chemical industry quite a bit. Those three I've spent a lot of time in. But I also work with the tree trimmers and different groups. I've worked with in Chicagoland area, I've worked with the top three electrical companies and done a lot of work with them and going out on audits and everything else, so I like working with different companies.


0:06:58.6 JN: I'm more interested in companies that wanna do better and try to solve the problems that they have and see if we can get a solution that helps the worker, helps the company and everybody can make some money.


0:07:09.6 LB: Is this something you've always been interested in? As just growing up, or do you have family that might have ties to some of the hazardous industries? 


0:07:21.8 JN: Well, when I was in school, you're not sure what you wanna do, and then somebody said, "You ought to take the safety stuff." I'd taken some vocational interest surveys, and it said, "Fire Protection Safety would be a good field for you." And so, I started checking into it. I remember working at industrial foods and losing almost my thumb and stuff, and I thought, "Well, I wonder what the rules are?"


0:07:42.4 JN: And then I started learning about OSHA's rules that you gotta guard the meat slicers and everything else, and I was fascinated with it. So out of school, I kinda wanted to work for OSHA, and so I interviewed with them and I got hired.


0:07:53.6 LB: Well, yeah. I couldn't imagine... Well, I should say if I were to almost lose a thumb, I feel like that could impact me in maybe some of the choices that I make going forward. Now, you've obviously seen safety evolve over the years. Tell me a little bit more about what that evolution has looked like? 


0:08:16.7 LB: Because I've spoken with a gamut of younger people and older people, and I'm always just so engaged when I hear about safety in the '70s. 'Cause it just sounds like it was... Like I picture rock and roll music playing and everyone walking around in polyester suits. That's how safe it's sounded.


0:08:42.5 LB: But tell us a little bit more about that evolution? 'Cause you've really been kind of at the front and center of that evolution, it sounds like, so I'd love to kinda dig into that.


0:08:51.9 JN: Well, you know, in the early days, there were no rules. You worked in the '30s, you got hurt, that was too bad, and your only recourse was trying to sue the employer. So eventually a lot of states, 49 of them developed worker comp rules that said it's no fault that the person gets hurt, they're gonna get paid for their injuries lost time. Some percentage. Like in Illinois it's two-thirds of the amount you make. That was a good start. And if the person passed away, the widow and the kids would get some money.


0:09:27.4 JN: In 1969, we watched the rates going up. As the population went up, the deaths went up. In 1969 we're at 14,500 deaths, and that's a lot of deaths. In 1960 was 12,500. So, people started to say, "We're killing more at work than we can kill in the Vietnam War, and we need to get some basic safety rules."


0:09:42.0 JN: John Ehrlichman, who's Nixon's advisor, wrote a paper and said that 97% of the companies in the United States have a basic safety program. It's that 3% that we need this OSHA for to make some rules on there. And they set some provisions. So, when they passed the Williams-Steiger Act, which is the OSHA Act, it was almost 90, 95% approval on the vote, and endorsements from all business and labor and everything else.


0:10:10.9 JN: It was the first set of rules that actually said, "These are some guidelines, they are law, you have to follow them," and stuff. They had a period of a year; they could take any consensus standards and make them law. So, they took things from the machine code, the electrical code to fire codes, and they became a lot of the basis to the OSHA law.


0:10:29.1 JN: But they also realized that not every rule, they're gonna have a law for. You can't... They were fore thinking, thinking, "We could always go back to the Section 5A1 of the OSHA Act, and we could cite that if the employer doesn't have a safe and healthful workplace." So, the minute you have a set of rules, most companies really try to follow them.


0:10:45.2 JN: I would believe 97% try to follow the rules. And what we started seeing is the deaths drop. So, when I started in, we got the death rate in half, and now where it's about 5000. We've tripled the employment, but we're only a third of the deaths, which is amazing, it's almost a nine-time improvement, just by having a set of basic OSHA rules.


0:11:07.8 JN: And then when any time OSHA wants to propose a rule, there's a lot of review. Congress on both sides get to look at it, business gets a say in it, labor gets a say in it, so it takes several years to get out a rule, because they have to make sure the rule is fair. It's not gonna be damaging to business, it protects the workers and everything else like that.


0:11:27.2 JN: So, it's been a good process. Some people would like to see it faster, I'd like to see a little faster, but overall, it's been doing good, and it's saved a lot of lives.


0:11:36.9 LB: Well, I think having to take a little extra time for something that's literally saving your life, I think it's okay to maybe extend the deadline by a couple of days. They say great things take time. But digging a little into what you're talking about and the different things you've been a part of, has there been a time where you really saw the impact of what you were doing? 


0:12:09.6 LB: Or perhaps a major accomplishment? Maybe it was something in fall protection where you, I don't know, saved an entire state with this law that you passed or something. I don't know, just something kind of that career highlight? 


0:12:23.9 JN: Let's go to 1983 when I started.


0:12:25.9 LB: Yes.


0:12:26.3 JN: A worker was told you need to have protection at 6 feet in construction and 4 feet in industry, and when you got up there on top of the machine up on a building, there was nothing to tie to.


0:12:39.7 LB: Are you serious? Are you talking about people who are literally just like, if I were to go just stand on a building right now in my high heels, nothing on, that is how it was in 1983? 


0:12:50.9 LB: They said you were in violation and you say, "What am I supposed to do? There's nothing to tie, I'm above the edge of the roof. What am I tying to?"


0:12:56.3 LB: That's so scary.


0:12:58.7 JN: And so, one of the things when we developed the Industry committee, people who did tie off, you're not gonna believe it, they just took a leather belt and they used a rope, a strap, a chain to tie it to something.


0:13:11.4 LB: Oh my gosh.


0:13:12.6 JN: There's was no rules on how far you could fall and everything else. And that's what that Industry committee that I worked on was. 'Cause I had a guy die who fell 20 feet. The belt didn't break, it killed him. And here it is, I'm thinking, "How can this guy die? And he falls 20 feet, and he meets all the OSHA rules." I said, "This is incredible," the fall force killed him, and that's why we started looking at it.


0:13:33.2 JN: Well, we found out 1800 pounds is about the most people could get before anybody can get really hurt, and today the industry is down to 900 pounds, and we started pushing the harnesses. So, you go in there and you take 1986 when we started this committee, and you go 10 years later, we have all these deaths and falls dropping. Instead of killing 2000 a year, we're down to about half of that, and that's with triple the employment.


0:13:57.1 JN: So, I think it's been a great accomplishment trying to get people to wear the protection. Same thing is you're working on electrical. I always think of the 1953 Electrical Code, you wanna see if it's live, just take a couple of fingers and touch it.




0:14:11.9 LB: Would you recommend that now? No. Or ever, but geez.


0:14:15.7 JN: I watched people get killed in less than a half a second touching live electrical.


0:14:21.1 LB: Oh my gosh.


0:14:22.7 JN: And so, the industry, the electrical industry is very professional. Been around for 100 years, they've had great rules, they learned from the accidents, and they came up with the Electrical Safety Code, and then they also came out with the National Fire Protection Code 70E, which is protecting the workers.


0:14:38.2 JN: And those two things have saved a lot of the workers and stuff. I mean, you used to have multiple deaths a year with arc flash, and now, not that many. I just track the hospitalizations now because I'm more curious, it's still once a week. Like it's still too many.


0:14:52.5 LB: Yeah.


0:14:53.9 JN: But we're seeing a lot of people wear the protection, and those incidents where there is an arc flash, we don't hear about, because they just get up, they take the clothing off and they're okay.


0:15:04.9 LB: Yeah.


0:15:06.6 JN: In a couple of them, they might get sent to the hospital, and that's where we know they're wearing their equipment. The person got an arc flash, got some blisters, but that's about it. And it's a success story. So, you think about something that costs a few hundred dollars, this stuff will save your life. You know you gotta get within 42 inches at electrical in the plant, or you're gonna be within 10 foot of power and you need to wear this equipment.


0:15:30.0 JN: So, I watched cases of the utility companies where, blue jean t-shirt, get right up on there, you'll be okay. Now you're gonna wear all arc flash equipment. You're gonna get within 10 feet of that line, you're gonna be a qualified electrician, you're gonna have the gear, and it's gonna save your life. And I've watched people have these arc flashes, get up and walk away from it, and it's amazing just to see that evolution where these would have been just another person that died at work.


0:15:53.4 LB: And it's such a rewarding experience. I know I tell the story often, when I first started in fashion and apparel, I once had someone tell me, "You know, you just design shirts. It's not like you're saving lives." And then I started designing PPE for high visibility and for flame resistance, and I said, "You know, I kinda am saving lives." Not like a doctor and not by any... But in a different way, and it truly is rewarding.


0:16:25.8 LB: What you do is very impressive, to come up with ways to really get people back home to the people they love. How does that make you feel to have that as your career path? 


0:16:39.6 JN: I like it. I find it rewarding. I've talked to a lot of people on both sides, people who survived things, people who lost loved ones. And like I said, it's easy to protect on a lot of these cases. And over half the cases I've been involved in, less than 100 bucks would have saved a person. Which is just ludicrous. Why wouldn't you have done this stuff? 


0:17:00.9 JN: For example, in Minnesota, 18-year-old kid taking a drill, gets the cord in water and he dies, he's electrocuted. All he had to do was have a ground fault circuit interrupter, a cordless tool, and all these other things and he wouldn't have died. I mean, it's crazy.


0:17:14.2 LB: Oh man.


0:17:14.4 JN: So, you can prevent these items by just doing a little effort and taking training and buying the right equipment.


0:17:21.4 LB: Well, I do wanna ask you, 'cause I know you know the question. I'm sorry, the answer. What are some of the top hazards that workers are just faced with? I feel like you could probably name the top like 100 hazards with all of your credentials, but just in general. You know, is it heat stress? Is it... I've heard that falls are rated pretty high up there as well. So, what are those hazards? 


0:17:54.1 JN: There's about 5000 people who die every year in the last 15 years, so give or take a couple hundred. Transportation accidents like your truck drivers, that's the number one occupation. Why? 'Cause the trucks are more and more, people are distributing more from Amazon, all these other companies, they're buying online, so there's a lot of trucks on the road, therefore we've increased the amount of drivers, increased the amount of traffic, and we got a lot of people get hurt.


0:18:19.7 JN: But it's also, there are companies that are doing coaching while their driver, they can see if the driver is paying attention, they can look in there, they can make sure they get the rest that they need and everything else. And they're very accommodating, they tell you, "If you just hit the rumble strips on the side, pull over, take 30 minutes or whatever you need, take a nap. Because we want you fresh, we don't need the accident, because we don't gain anything by saving a few seconds."


0:18:41.4 JN: They've done studies like FedEx, 62 miles an hour is the most efficient mile speed to drive, not 75, not 80. It's more efficient for fuel as well as safety to go a little bit slower, and it's a nice number they use, and these are things that help a lot of people. And then falls are about 900 a year, it's almost gonna hit 1000 maybe, and that's what everybody's worried about.


0:19:06.3 JN: It shouldn't. The falls have changed since 1983, even though they're half of what they used to be, we used to have 500 scaffold deaths, and now it's like 30 or 40.


0:19:14.4 LB: Oh wow.


0:19:17.0 JN: You have to be trained. But we're starting to see a lot of slip, trip and fall hazards. It used to be slip, trip, and fall hazards might be 30, 40 a year. Now they're 150 a year. I started thinking, "What is the reason?" We've always had slip, trip and fall hazards, but we have an older workforce. People 55 and older are 36% of all the deaths now out of that 5000. And they're only 18% of the workforce. That's triple what it was when I started.


0:19:47.0 LB: Oh wow.


0:19:47.3 JN: It's mainly older people, but why when you fall and you slip, you're not as agile, your bones are more brittle and it's gonna be more serious consequence. So, we see slip, trip, and fall hazards 25% of all injuries. Ergonomics 30, 35% of all injuries. And that group gets affected quite a bit by those injuries.


0:20:09.4 JN: So those are some things we start talking about, making sure that the people that are a little older have the right equipment, right working surfaces and everything else, because they are gonna be more vulnerable when they do fall, and we don't wanna have that happen.


0:20:21.2 JN: Other things we're seeing, we've watched electrical go from 500 a year to maybe 140 a year, and most of those are gonna be powerlines. Why? Because all of a sudden working on industrial at 4:40 we're gonna start wearing protection, we start making sure people who have training, and that's been a big difference.


0:20:37.5 JN: Almost all the big cities, they have some kind of control of who's gonna work on electrical, and you have to either be licensed or certified. And they want people to have that talent because it's a serious injury, and plus you lose power for the area, it's not good either.


0:20:52.4 LB: Oh yeah. Well, I'm learning so much, and I'm sure our listeners are all driving at 62 miles an hour now so that they can be more efficient in their driving. I wanna talk next about what safety trends you're seeing. I know we've talked a little bit about the evolution of safety in the past, what the numbers look like now in certain hazards.


0:21:18.2 LB: But really to kind of come full circle, what do you see in terms of the future, not just for safety and standards but also for yourself, where would you like to see things? 


0:21:33.0 JN: Well, you know, the thing that I've always kinda grew up with is that there's gonna be a certain amount of accidents, just because of the way it is. And then in 2000... I wanna say 10, I worked with one company and a fairly large one, they got zero accidents that year. And we worked about it, we talked about it, but part of the planning was, is we wanna make sure everybody gets all the training, the PPE necessary, we're gonna design out as many sketches as we can do.


0:21:58.7 JN: And then we're gonna do a job hazard analysis for every single process we do at that facility, you gotta change a valve we've got a procedure for it. And after you develop all these procedures, this was 350 of 'em, you start realizing we shouldn't have an accident. If everybody just does what we all agree on, we should be okay.


0:22:16.4 JN: And they were to become the first steel mill that had like 300 people that didn't get hurt. And then I worked with the Ford stamping plant in Cleveland, Ohio, they became the first stamping plant in the country with no injuries. And then I realized, we can get this, this is not like a myth or an object. And I've had several people get this zero injuries out of the facility by having all these things and working on all these issues.


0:22:37.1 JN: You can always have a random person walk and to have their knee blown out, but it wasn't anything at the work that caused it. If we can get rid of all these physical hazards that we have at the place, we minimize them to a point where they're not gonna be a problem. And that's what I see is the future, we're gonna have companies in this country that are gonna have low amount of injuries compared to their foreign competitors from China, Japan, India.


0:23:00.5 JN: And that's gonna make them more competitive because they're not spending this fortune on worker comp and other issues related to these injuries, and that makes them competitive. It's a lot of these solutions that are very easy, but you have to implement them. And that's one of the things that we're seeing.


0:23:17.7 JN: For example, like I said, you got the robots everywhere now. But the motor controller center for the robots are 480 volts, 600 volts. You gotta go in there to work on it, you know automatically you're gonna be a trained person, you gonna have good electrical knowledge, you're gonna wear all the arc flash equipment and you're not gonna have this serious injury anymore.


0:23:34.8 JN: Yeah, if there's a little arc flash or a fairly medium sized arc flash, you might get some blisters, but you're not gonna get third-degree burns, you're not gonna go to a burn unit for a million dollars. And that's the thing that we're starting to see, and this is implemented at a lot of facilities, and they can do this, you know? 


0:23:51.5 LB: I love the idea of a zero accident or just like an accident-free future. That sounds... I definitely wanna be here to see that. I'm thankful to people like you who are just really out there getting it done, making it happen, giving the training that they need. I do have a question, you mentioned robots.


0:24:20.8 LB: Now, I know I was trying to close it up, but then you mentioned robots and I was like, "We gotta talk about this for a second." There is obviously a huge AI influence in everything. Seeing it more and more every day. Do you think that makes safety more challenging for us as humans? Or are you seeing bigger benefits? Or is it a bit of a mixed bag? 


0:24:45.1 LB: Maybe there are things where, "Hey, now we can track these things." I know like in clothes there's a lot of wearable technology that's a good thing, but then I could also see maybe it can be prohibitive in some ways too. So, I'd like to get your take on that? 


0:25:03.4 JN: Well, I always am a fan of the robots, and if you have something that's routine repetitive at work and you've got multiple shifts doing it, that's a perfect job to really think about in terms of industrial robot or automation in it. That's a great thing, you save a lot of money, you make yourself competitive.


0:25:21.8 JN: And people say, "Well, you might lose that person's job," but you know what, if you're expanding, you're doing well you're gonna increase your workforce anyway. As you sell more and more products, you are better than your competitors, you will do well. And so, I'm a big fan of it, and what people have to get used to is that the robot could be on a cycle and you don't know when it's gonna move.


0:25:42.9 JN: So today there's companies that could put scanners in the robot area that if you approach it slows the robot down, if you get a little closer it crawls, and then at a certain distance where you can get hurt, they just stop it. And those things have helped out a lot. You know, 'cause robots pick up parts and they move things. And once in a while they drop it and you think, "Well, I gotta shut this thing off. It's gonna take us 10-20 minutes to restart this whole thing."


0:26:01.5 JN: Or you can go in there and put one of these in there, and you can go right in there and grab the piece and then go out there. And its different things that people are trying to work on the solution, and I think that's a great one. Because if we can get a lot of this process automated, it'll help out on these hard physical tasks.


0:26:17.0 JN: You know, I always tell people, "You're gonna lift these paint cans or paint, 5-gallon drums, there's 40-50 pounds and they're doing it all day long, let's put an automatic system in there. Why don't we just have the... Get an industrial engineer to put it in, have the robot lift it, put it so it moves it itself, stacks it, palletizes it. Instead of having people do it and get hurt."


0:26:37.0 LB: Yeah.


0:26:37.2 JN: You can always put them somewhere else. 'Cause remember, if you're increasing orders 10, 20, 30, 40% every year, you got jobs for people and you will always do well. So, this is things that, I worked with a chemical company in Illinois, and that's one of the things they did, is drum filling with their products and stuff. And it's just, you got the person grabs this 50... You know, big drum lifts it, bends and twists and they get these back injuries. And it's just you can go...


0:27:02.5 JN: You can start with a vacuum lift. If you wanted to start with something simple for a good 5, $6000. The vacuum lift grabs it and then moves it wherever you want it. You just move it where you wanna put it. If you wanna put on a pallet, you just guide it, instead of you physically lifting it there. And those things help out a lot of people. And one of the companies that I had in my class, they said, "You know, we did that, and we got the zero injuries for the first time in our life."


0:27:21.5 LB: Wow.


0:27:21.7 JN: And it's a big change, because all of a sudden, instead of paying 500,000 for insurance you're down to maybe 50,000, 100,000, you're saving. The insurance companies gotta have something, in case there's a bad year or the bad accident, but I mean, it's a big competitive advantage. That's $400,000 you got to do and spend on other ones.


0:27:42.8 JN: I've seen companies save millions of dollars, where you get the insurance down lower and lower, you get a $1.7 million savings. You can buy new equipment, you can do stuff, you're more competitive than anybody from other places and stuff.


0:27:57.5 LB: Well, I just wanna say, I know we're about to transition into the end, which I called acronyms, but essentially it's more about PPE or Personal Protective Equipment, for those of you who don't know what that acronym means. But before we dive a little bit into that, do you have any closing thoughts on anything we've talked about? 


0:28:18.8 LB: 'Cause I just wanna say, it's been an absolute pleasure and learning experience. I can't wait to go back and really listen to the content in this episode. Because, I mean, it is just your knowledge on safety and the ease of which you speak is very impressive. And I just wanna give you an opportunity to maybe kinda close the door on some of what we've talked about, and really, before we start talking about OSHA 1910, section 132, but anything you want to kind of just say about what we've talked about thus far? 


0:29:01.1 JN: Well, there's a large percentage of American companies that wanna be world class. They wanna compete against other companies in the world. And safety is part of it. You gotta be out there and have the best programs in there. And this makes them competitive because like they said, they're not looking at FORD competing against GM and stuff, they're looking at Toyota, that's their big competitor.


0:29:23.9 JN: They wanna be better than those companies. And they have to be efficient, quality and safety to be competitive, 'cause it lowers the price of a car. Eventually, maybe the difference that you get in the cars, might be the price. And that could be the difference of what you save.


0:29:38.7 LB: Well, car manufacturers, if you're listening, please be safe, 'cause I need a deal on a new car coming up pretty soon. Safety And... Podcast will be back after this message from our sponsor.



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0:30:53.0 LB: So welcome back, everyone. I am here with John Newquist, and we are talking safety and acronyms, but specifically the acronym PPE or Personal Protective Equipment. And we're gonna talk a little bit about OSHA 1910 section 132. So, John, tell us a little bit more about what that particular document... Is that the... I don't know if that's the right terminology, that particular standard. Tell our listeners a little bit about what that standard entails? 


0:31:29.0 JN: So, this is in the top 10 most cited standards by OSHA. And what it requires is that the employer make an assessment to determine, "What kind of hazards we have at our place, and what kind of the hazards can be helped with the use of personal protective equipment." And if the hazards are present, they gotta implement a training program, do a hazard analysis, and make sure that the people who get the PPE, it fits them, and then that they certify they've done this analysis.


0:31:57.3 JN: So that's, you know, it sounds like a lot, but there's stuff out there for every industry that talks about what you should have for your type of work.


0:32:06.0 LB: And so just to clarify, this particular standard, is it for general industries? Or is it electrical utilities, oil and gas? Is it just a basic kind of hazardous...?


0:32:22.1 JN: It applies to general industry. Now, oil and gas might have some special rules for their employees, the electrical utilities have their own standard under 1910-269, so that's where they go first, and if there's nothing in 269, they can go into the general person protective equipment. This is like a big general standard. Some industries have specific standards, like sawmills, grains, and things like that. But the same concept applies, you're gonna train employees, you're gonna buy the right equipment, you're gonna do a hazard analysis.


0:32:56.8 LB: There was one part of the standard, and I'm trying to look or remember which one it was, but it basically references that you have to acknowledge where the standard has been updated. Can you speak to maybe some of the updates that this particular standard has seen? Has it got...? I'm assuming it's probably gotten more in depth and more just specific in certain areas, but can you maybe expand on which areas those have been? 


0:33:34.2 JN: Well, they've added different things over the years. I've like every 10 years, they make a little change to it. But most of the changes are dealing with the different types of equipment. Electrical safety work practices standard came in there and they talk about PPE that you have to wear for the electrical industry, and that's in its own section.


0:33:53.2 JN: But if you're not into the area and you're just doing some other work, you're working in a foundry or anywhere else, you're gonna have to have certain PPE. There we would use the industry guidelines as an idea of what you could wear. You'd analyze the hazards, we got molten metal, we got hot surfaces, we got heat stress, and we gotta deal with equipment that can work in all those environments.


0:34:17.3 LB: I feel like I wanna be a part of one of these. Maybe be careful what you wish for, 'cause from, as someone who works on the clothing that they wear, it's like I just... Now, I just, I wanna know all about it. I wanna know how hot they get, so I know how much wicking to put on the garment.


0:34:33.6 LB: So, this is really just, it's educational on so many different levels for so many different people. But I do wanna ask you because it can be rather overwhelming. And I'm sure there are some younger kids listening out there. Maybe some college kids. How can you kind of take all of this very technical information and maybe not feel so overwhelmed? Or what's the best way to kind of digest a lot of this? 


0:35:08.2 LB: Because I also feel with a topic this technical, it's like you don't wanna mess up, you don't wanna say the wrong word. Just what's your advice to do maybe make it a little less stressful? Or maybe I'm just speaking to myself and maybe you're just speaking to me to feel less stressed, but what kind of advice would you give to some of those maybe newly in the safety world, guys and gals out there? 


0:35:39.6 JN: I always tell people you can always start out with the basic OSHA class. There's a lot of stuff online you can take. There's OSHA 10 and 30s that are hazard courses, they teach you a little bit about the hazards, and they kinda walk you through some of the rules. There is a national recognized OSHA Standards class, where they actually go into the standards like this and they spend an hour on this particular topic, and that helps people get aware of it.


0:36:04.7 JN: I always tell people it's a lot easier to go in little doses, take a 10-hour, 30 hour then come and take a Standards class, and then you get awareness of how these things are all working together. The industry associations have been great. They give guidance to the employer on what to do in their industry, so if I'm in wood working power plants, I'm in tree trimming, I got industry associations that got a lot of information on safety, and will help you out on that issue also.


0:36:32.5 LB: That is great advice. I actually recently found myself joining a safety group, in which I was very honest, I am not a certified safety professional, but I do have links obviously to this industry, and it has really opened my eyes. I mean, not only are you getting the learning aspect of it, but you are meeting some of the most passionate and qualified people, just from a networking perspective. I mean it's, I'm so glad you brought that up. That is fantastic.


0:37:10.6 JN: And the industry association, American Society of Safety Professionals, has chapters in every state, and they have meetings every month during the September to May period usually. And that's a great way to network like that. I'm in what they call Three Rivers Chapter, which is in Lisle, which is about 40 miles from here. And they have monthly meetings, and you get to meet with all these safety professionals, 50 to 100 at a time, and you can talk about all these issues.


0:37:37.8 JN: If you're not sure how to do it, there's always somebody there that can help you out. You got insurance companies, you got the safety professionals, you got safety directors of companies, you've got manufacturers in these meetings, and it's really kind of a nice way to informally learn about what's happening in the world of safety. There's always social media too.


0:37:57.1 LB: Yeah, that's actually where I met my group, it's a Facebook group. So social media can be a good thing sometimes. Well, I just wanna thank you so much. This has been... It's like you talk about it like I talk about my vacation, like you're just like, "Yeah, you know, safety, OSHA 1,2,3, and PPE," and all, and I am just honored. And just this was so great to talk with someone of your level of just qualification. Thank you so much.


0:38:33.5 JN: Thank you.


0:38:34.3 LB: Now I do end all of my shows with something fun, and I think especially for this one being a little technical. It would be super fun to end with... I pulled what's called 100 of the coolest internet abbreviations. So, I know we've thrown around a lot of OSHA, which is an abbreviation, and all of your certifications and your title, but these abbreviations are probably... I'm sure all my nieces and nephews would ace this quiz, but these are 2021's coolest internet abbreviations.


0:39:22.0 LB: So, I am going to ask you if you just know some of these, and then maybe we'll run through a few that maybe none of us know, and we'll all learn something together. So, I always have my sound guy get his bell ready for this part of the show, [chuckle] so consider yourself warned.


0:39:48.2 LB: Okay, so this is an easy one, but it is one of the most... It is actually the number one most popular and widely used internet abbreviation, and I'm pretty sure you know what it is, but I'm gonna ask, the abbreviation is LOL.


0:40:08.8 JN: Well, "laughing out loud".


0:40:10.1 LB: Yeah. You see that one is easy. Yeah, now I'm gonna do this one because I feel like... Now, this came in number four on the list. Now, some of these, I feel like you already know. So, ASAP, right? 


0:40:25.1 JN: "As soon as possible".


0:40:26.0 LB: Yeah. I've been using that. That might have been my first words when I was born. FYI, I'm pretty sure... Yeah, these are just like, not even 2021.


0:40:38.4 JN: HMU. Somebody said HMU, and I'm thinking, "What? HMU?"


0:40:44.7 LB: Oh, I know this one. I know I learned this one from my nephew, it means "hit me up". Which...


0:40:50.9 JN: That's it, very good. I didn't know what it was. I had to ask another person. That's like, I don't know what that means.


0:41:00.3 LB: Okay, so this one could be like that, I think you could get it with context clues, but the abbreviation is G2, the number two, G.


0:41:13.4 JN: "Got to go".


0:41:14.0 LB: Got to go. Okay, alright, you're doing really good. Now, this is the last one, then we'll get into some of these crazy ones, 'cause I feel... I feel way too cool that I know these. And I'm not that cool. So, number 10 on this list, and I've kind of been bouncing around, is IMO.


0:41:37.9 JN: "In my opinion".


0:41:38.9 LB: Yes. Okay. So John, we're pretty cool when it comes to the top 10. Now let's get into some of these crazy texting ones that didn't make the list, but they are out there in internet world. I'll start this... I'll just pick one from this list 'cause they're all kind of wild. Now, it spells out "time". So, the abbreviation is TIME.


0:42:14.7 JN: I don't know.


0:42:15.3 LB: I feel like my niece is sitting there like, "Duh, it means tears in my eyes." So tears my eyes. Guys, I'm gonna have tears in my eyes after...


0:42:28.0 JN: They don't use an emoji for that. You know what I mean? 


0:42:30.4 LB: I know, I like my emoji. Now this one, I see it a lot, but I always think it means something different. It's FTW.


0:42:44.5 JN: FTW? 


0:42:46.0 LB: It's to express an opinion or a reaction, is...


0:42:56.0 JN: FTW. I'm gonna say "for what it's worth", but it's not that.


0:43:02.2 LB: I used to think it meant Fort Worth, just so... 'Cause I spent a time in Dallas, Fort Worth, but it does mean "for the win".


0:43:12.5 JN: For the win, okay.


0:43:13.6 LB: For the win. Now, I'm gonna do two more... Well, I'll do three more. This one's pretty easy, I use this one a lot, and it's kind of how I'm feeling about all of these acronyms, is SMH.


0:43:28.7 JN: "Shaking my head".


0:43:32.0 LB: I feel like... Okay, alright, you're doing really good.


0:43:35.1 JN: They used to have Samuel Jackson's emoji for that.


0:43:39.1 LB: Yes. Okay. Well, this is kind of interesting. It's GMTA.


0:43:49.9 JN: Let me write it down. GMTA. "Good morning to America".




0:44:03.6 LB: I'll take it. It actually means "great minds think alike". Yes, so I hope that I can be a great mind and think like you, and all the fantastic things you've done in safety, but that was just some of the coolest internet abbreviations. Yeah, this list, I feel like we could be here... We could be here for another hour just going through this list.


0:44:39.3 LB: It makes me wonder if I'll be able to communicate clearly in the future, 'cause I need to study everything you just presented in addition to this list just to keep up. Keep up with the times. Do you have a favorite internet abbreviation that you use when you text? 


0:45:02.0 JN: I'm an emoji person, so I like to use emojis and stuff. I'm trying to think. Other than that, the "hit me up" has been kind of fast, 'cause that was the last one I got stumped on, but otherwise the same thing. And ROFL, that's...


0:45:21.6 LB: Roll a lot laughing too. But again, emojis...


0:45:28.3 JN: Or YOLO.


0:45:30.3 LB: Yes, YOLO is a good one. Sometimes I actually have an officemate, shout out to Hayden, who literally just makes them up, and I'm constantly having to hear new ones. Before we recorded, he said, "HAGP." And I was like, "Have a good podcast." So, I'm learning. I don't think that would catch on with America, but...


0:46:00.2 JN: I don't know. I'm watching this Crowd one coming up and everybody wants to be on the Crowd Podcast, you know? 


0:46:06.5 LB: Oh yeah. You never know, right? Well, John, it has been an absolute pleasure. Again, I thank you so much. Special thanks to John Newquist, partner at Newquist Safety for being on our show today to talk about Safety And... Acronyms.




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