SAFETY AND...FITNESS: Lauren zooms in with Abby Ferri, CSP aka @SafetyAbby, to discuss her career & accomplishments, lessons learned as a woman in safety, female empowerment vs. taking a more active role in helping women in their careers, the influential women that inspire her, and Abby uses her background as a fitness instructor to take us through a zoom workout!
Abby Ferri is a safety & risk management consultant, podcaster, and author with over 18 years of experience in the field of safety and health in diverse industries including construction, manufacturing, healthcare, hospitality, beverage, and retail. She currently works for Arthur J. Gallagher as a Senior Risk Control Consultant based out of the Bloomington, MN office. She holds a Master’s Degree in Environmental Health and Safety, is an OSHA Outreach Trainer for Construction, and a Certified Safety Professional (CSP).
This podcast is sponsored by LAPCO Manufacturing. LAPCO: premium workwear since 1989.
0:00:30.5 Lauren Brizendine: Hello listeners, welcome to Safety And..., a laughing and learning podcast where we talk about Safety And whatever else is on your mind. And ladies and gentlemen, I am kind of geeking out today, if I'm being honest with our guest today, but I'm here with Abby Ferri who is a Certified Safety Professional, a thought leader, an author, overall boss babe, and we're gonna talk about safety and fitness today. So welcome to our show.
0:01:02.0 Abby Ferri: That's awesome. Thank you. I'm excited to be here. I've never been on a podcast where we talk about safety and then something else completely random, so this is interesting.
0:01:14.9 LB: Well, the reason why we did it is actually when we were talking to people about like, "Hey, would you be interested in listening to a podcast?" A lot of the feedback we got was, "Yeah, I don't mind talking about safety because obviously I work in safety or I'm tied to the industry in some way but if you could talk about something else, that would be cool too." And I was like, "I think we could do that." And then I added the little game at the end, it's just a palette cleanser 'cause you never really know where the conversation is gonna take you. We've had some emotional ones before, and plus I just like to have fun so it kinda works out. But you were described by a colleague as practical and creative, two of my favorite things to be. Tell our listeners a little bit about what a practical and creative safety professional looks like and more importantly, maybe how you got there, what your career path has been like to this point.
0:02:14.8 AF: Yeah, so the practical piece and creative I guess too is probably all forged out of probably negative experiences where it's like in safety you have to always justify how you're spending money or justify the time that you need with the workers. If you teach OSHA 10 or 30, you've probably had people ask you, "How long is the 10 hour?" and it's like, it's 10 hours. Everyone's trying to get a discount, trying to get a bargain. It's like, no, you can't. So, I think, yeah, the practical and creative sides to me are things that I think I've just kind of adapted over the years because I've had so many objections and those objections came from just people that are grumpy about safety in general no matter who is doing the safety things with them or to them, or it was because they just doubted me and that was a lot earlier in my career. So, I think then with career experience came confidence, and then that practicality and creativity could come from kind of a different place, more so the proactive side of things than being reactive and coming with practical and creative solutions.
0:03:31.6 LB: Well awesome, so you didn't know at an early age you were gonna be a safety professional, or you had no...
0:03:39.8 AF: No, literally nobody grows up that is saying they wanna be a safety professional 'cause no one really knows what it is.
0:03:48.2 LB: I'm learning so much about it. For the longest time, for me, it was just anyone who doesn't work in an office pretty much, and works in construction and plants and it was just all kind of generalized, but people are telling me, "No, this is what a certified safety professional is, this is the language you use."
0:04:07.9 AF: This is a real job.
0:04:09.7 LB: Yeah, I'm like, "Alright, I'm here for it." You have gone above and beyond in your career, in safety, tell our listeners about some of the projects that you're working on, because I'm a fan, okay. I'm not trying to sound like a stalker, but you came recommended and when I really started following you on social and all the things, you got your hands in a lot of awesome projects. So, I wanna talk a little bit about those.
0:04:36.4 AF: Thank you. Yeah, so at work I'm an insurance risk control consultant, so that itself has me going in a bunch of different directions which I love. In my career when I've had positions where it's more of a consulting kind of model of how business is done, that's where I thrive. So, I love insurance, I love being that consultant for my clients. Just every day I open up the email or listen to messages and it's like, "What's happening today?" 'Cause I have a plan but that's not gonna be how the day goes, good, bad or whatever. So yeah, that's one thing. Of course, I have the day job type of thing and then a hobby that I have is related to safety, sadly, or maybe this is nerdy but...
0:05:26.2 LB: No, it's not sad. Be a nerd about it, be proud because I was kinda against... Not against safety, but maybe like, "Oh, it's kind of boring." It's interesting to me now talking to everyone so don't be embarrassed, girl.
0:05:38.8 AF: It really is. With the safety Justice League podcast, that's quickly become... It's been a year but that's been a really fun hobby and just like a really cool way to reach people and connect with people, which by coincidence, we started this after COVID, and people were really looking for a connection which is... It's like perfect timing, so that's cool. I also always keep a very strong volunteer leadership role going. So, I've been an ASSP member since I was in school, so during my graduate in safety program, I was in our local... It was ASSE back then... Was in our student section. So, I've just continued that throughout my career. So, I'm always serving in some kind of either elected or volunteer leadership position within ASSP at my local chapter or at the society level, so at the global level.
0:06:35.9 AF: And so, the most recent big deal project that I was involved with for ASSP was being the administrator of the Women In Safety Excellence common interest group. And being involved with that group just even just as a member is wild. There's so many ideas, there's so much going on, people are just super engaged and wanna solve everything, and they do, we really do. But to be the administrator of that group and take the lead was just like a whole other level. So, I know a lot of people associate me with WISE, and I'm purposefully pulling away because I am not in any leadership position at WISE right now, but I'm just a big fan and strong advocate for women in safety. So that has led to some other interesting projects that are ongoing as far as coming up with standards and technical guidance for PPE for women. So that's a topic that's been pretty close to everything that I've been doing in the past few years.
0:07:43.5 LB: Well, I'm glad we connected, because for LAPCO, we have a huge ladies initiative right now for PPE because, to your point, I don't understand how we missed a market for all these years. And not just that the women need better clothes because it's more comfortable, but really looking at it from a safety aspect as well. You cannot be wearing these baggy sleeves that the men have or if it's not fitted correctly. So, we've been spending a lot of time looking at that, and just like how can we help?
0:08:21.9 AF: Yeah, well, LAPCO has good stuff for women. I know from experience with the WISE fashion show that we've had some LAPCO items in the fashion show.
0:08:33.3 LB: We have some more things coming up.
0:08:35.4 AF: That's awesome.
0:08:36.0 LB: And be sure to send me your email address after, and I'll send you a few things.
0:08:39.7 AF: I will.
0:08:41.8 LB: One thing you didn't mention was your book, right? So, I was really impressed. I read it, It's a quick read, it's a great read, that you wrote it in like 30 days during COVID. Because getting everyone's COVID story is kind of great for me because some people are like, "I gained 20 pounds," "I'm trying to get my life together in 2021," and you were like, "Nope, I'm writing a book, I'm starting a podcast." You're my kind of girl, like just go-getter. Tell us a little bit about your book because you talk about safety habits. I really like the end when you kinda go through the reward and all of that, but tell us a little bit more about what inspired you to write that book, and what was it like? What is it about? All the things.
0:09:29.5 AF: Yeah.
0:09:30.3 LB: But like not all the things so that they can still buy it and read it. [chuckle]
0:09:33.6 AF: Right, they still have to read the... Available on Kindle. [chuckle] So The Safety Habit. So, there's actually a book that was started a few years before and still isn't finished. So, for some reason, I found it okay to just write a completely different book instead of just finishing the one that I started. So, I don't know what that says about me. It's still on my list and I will probably still finish it, but whatever. So, the book that I wrote, it's called The Safety Habit, and the reason I wrote it in 30 days is because this social media personality that I followed for a while, James Altucher, he put out... He's been podcasting too, and on his podcast he talked about writing a book in 30 days. He said, "Anyone can do it. You can write a book that you can make a little bit of cash on Kindle, and it'll be a good experience." And I was like, "I guess."
0:10:24.1 AF: So, I basically took a formula that he prescribes on his podcast, and I'm very open about that, like I put that on the website for the book, and I've included that in, I think, blog posts and other places I've written about the book. And so, he talks about, well, I won't give all that away, but he talks about a formula where you're taking one of the top topics that's on other Kindle books that are out there and doing well. And so, I've been seeing a lot of stuff about habits, and I was actually starting a book, starting to read a book called Atomic Habits by James Clear, and still haven't finished reading that, but it's okay. I learned a lot from what I read. So, it was enough to get me started. So, James Altucher talked about taking one of those topics, and then how you create even just one chapter is that you talk about some research and then you talk about how it relates to you, and then you end with some action items.
0:11:24.5 AF: So basically, that's the formula for each chapter. If you read it you'll see that come through. And so, he challenged people to do it in 30 days, because just do it, just set yourself that parameter. I know for me, if I don't set a goal or a limit or a due date, it's not gonna get done. So, my calendar looks crazy because of that, but it helps me to stay on track. So that's what I did. Some lessons learned about the book is I learned that Kindle has where you can actually publish a book as a Kindle paperback, but my book isn't long enough to do that.
0:12:03.1 LB: Yeah, I was about to say I didn't see the option to buy the tactile book, but yeah, it was...
0:12:07.9 AF: Nope, and a lot of people have asked and I just... I can't pull it together, so, sorry.
0:12:13.9 LB: Well, maybe not now, maybe in the future, but I definitely see, having read the book, how it's structured, because I did like the end. That was one of my favorite things, when it was like, "This is kinda how you get through this," so it's a good read for sure.
0:12:29.0 AF: Thank you. Yeah, I pulled the parenting angle into it too, because I'm a parent, and a lot of people are parents, and it's kind of... That's a hot topic. A lot of us parents that were locked in with our kids, we've been reading parent improvement books because we're worried we're doing everything wrong. So, it kind of hits a lot of high points about habit formation, how parents can influence, but also how this all rolls into safety, and it's not job site safety, it's like just life, safety of being a human.
0:13:00.3 LB: And it's an easy read too, 'cause I know sometimes, like you were saying, like, "I haven't finished this book." I was a little nervous when I was like, "She wrote a book," and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, what if I don't read it in time," and then it was like, it was a good read, it was a quick read, so highly, highly recommended. I do wanna kinda circle back to when we were talking about just the Women In Safety Excellence, and more so on the broader scale of just being a woman in safety, because I talk to a lot of women in the field, because I work on the clothing, and the challenges that you all have are certainly greater than the clothing. That's just one part of it. But tell me a little bit more about those challenges and really what being a woman in safety means to you, because you're just a rockstar in so many areas. And it's like I wanna see more women like that, whether it's in safety or apparel or whatever. So, I really wanna kinda get your take and advice on all of this.
0:14:10.3 AF: Yeah. Well, we're making those women now, because I feel that people in my demographic, I'm turning 40 this month, which is crazy.
0:14:20.1 LB: Just turned 40 girl, 40 club.
0:14:23.7 AF: Alright. So, I'm excited. And so, when you have markers like that in your life, it's like, "Wow, what did I think I was gonna be like at this age?" And I'm realizing that I'm in this position where I'm mid-career, but I have a lot of advice to give and more importantly, like status, so I can use my status in the places I get to be to bring others with me and start introducing other especially younger women to just anybody in my network. So, I kind of flipped things. And it's only in the past few years that I really have flipped how I approach safety as a woman to make it more about the other women. This sounds weird.
0:15:12.7 LB: No, it doesn't.
0:15:13.1 AF: But to make it about those younger women or minority women that we don't see in those manager, supervisor, executive, VP, types of director roles. And so that's something that's very important to me, is to make it about all of these other people that are coming up in our fields.
0:15:34.0 LB: Definitely, and I think that's why we connected too because in looking for guests for the podcast, I was looking for people in a leadership role to inspire other women. And I'm always looking for more women to interview, so if you're listening and you're interesting, and you need empowerment, email email@example.com. Seriously though, you said it was weird wanting to empower other women, but I think the world needs more of that for sure.
0:16:02.4 AF: Yeah.
0:16:02.6 LB: Whether female and men, men can empower women.
0:16:06.3 AF: Absolutely.
0:16:07.8 LB: I love how you talked about that for sure.
0:16:09.9 AF: Well, I just wanna make sure to make the distinction though, between empowerment and actual activities that are removing barriers and positively introducing someone into a space that they weren't in before. So, I think empowerment, it has its place, but I think a lot of us have been... We've been really empowered over the years, like, "You go, girl, and do this." And it's like, "Well, how about you open that door. How about you introduce me to this person." So, me personally, I've become more... I was gonna say aggressive, but it's more assertive about asking for those introductions, and whenever I can make that introduction for somebody, I take that opportunity and do it. And often what that's turned into in the past couple of years, or maybe almost three years now, is like I've done a lot of public speaking, I've done a lot of speaking at different safety conferences and events, and now I'm trying to not do that, unless it's in partnership or in a panel with other people that have not had that opportunity yet. So, I'm using my experience and influence in all of those public speaking spaces to bring more people into that mix, because we can't keep hearing from the same people at the same events all the time. That's not fun and that's not helping us grow either.
0:17:31.4 LB: Well, and it sounds like too, what you're talking about is really just like more activism.
0:17:35.9 AF: Yes.
0:17:35.9 LB: Like taking a true role, because I find myself more recently, and like you said, as you get older with some of the younger people coming into our office, it's like, I really wanna stop, and I say I really want to, I do, I find myself stopping more and saying, "Let me teach you how to do this. Let me show you how to do this." Other than just be like, "You get your work on girl." You have to have an active role in being inspiring or raising that next generation.
0:18:11.3 AF: Yeah, and just like making the offer of your time because that has a huge impact for a person. So, I think that's really important too. I'm glad you're doing that also.
0:18:22.0 LB: That's what I'm saying. This to me, is just so meant to be, right? That's kind of how I feel in my head.
0:18:28.0 AF: That's awesome.
0:18:28.5 LB: And I'm probably just geeking out a little bit. If you could have dinner with three people, living or dead, real or fictional, who would they be and why? Bonus points, if they're all women, 'cause it ties to the topic, but I don't wanna steal your question either. And if you have more people or less people, it's fine.
0:18:47.8 AF: Yeah, it's gonna be a huge dinner party or maybe a party bus of people that I have in mind.
0:18:53.1 LB: Okay, this is the first party bus experience I've heard about.
0:18:58.5 AF: I don't know. [chuckle] I definitely think of safety, early safety influencer types of people. I'd wanna talk to Francis Perkins and Dr. Alice Hamilton. They saw some things, especially Dr. Hamilton, she lived for nearly 100 years, so she saw a lot of things over time.
0:19:18.3 LB: Okay, I'm new to her. So, I'm gonna have to... I just wrote that down. I'm gonna have to see what she has seen.
0:19:24.6 AF: So, you could actually learn about her on the Safety Justice League Podcast. So, we did a whole episode about Dr. Alice Hamilton, 'cause she's like the mother of modern occupational safety and health.
0:19:37.4 LB: Alright. I'm gonna check that one out.
0:19:39.4 AF: Yeah. Women actually... Women in history, so especially in the late 1800s, early 1900s, they really did a lot for worker health and safety because there was so much child labor, and the women that were in the labor force were really exploited, too. So, there's women that influenced those early health and safety, not so much rules, but just really raised all the red flags about what was going on in the industry.
0:20:08.4 LB: Yeah, like pioneers, essentially.
0:20:10.0 AF: Yes, definitely, definitely.
0:20:11.9 LB: Yeah, for sure.
0:20:12.7 AF: Yeah. So, my daughter's been reading these little bite-sized history kind of books, and I think... I can't remember what the series is named, but one of them was about Amelia Earhart. And I was just so excited for her to be reading it and she's trying to solve the mystery, and I love it because I grew up... My dad flies for fun, and so we're always going to air shows, and so Amelia Earhart is another person I would love on the party bus to hang out with me [chuckle] and the safety founders.
0:20:45.4 LB: I was on the party bus until Amelia Earhart only because I gotta just say this, as a kid, I read her story and I was afraid. I thought her story was so awesome, but then I was always freaked out because no one knew what happened. So, I had this kind of weird fear of red-haired women and a weird fear of planes, "I'm gonna die in the ocean with Fred Noonan, and where is he?"
0:21:12.5 AF: Right, where are they?
0:21:13.2 LB: They could be any of these people.
0:21:14.7 AF: Yeah.
0:21:16.7 LB: Yeah. So, I don't think I'm as scared, so I might get on the bus, but when you said her, I was like six all over again. And I was like, "Oh, gosh, this woman."
0:21:24.2 AF: [chuckle] That's awesome.
0:21:25.0 LB: But no, she was really fantastic and in just talking about influential women who have made big strides for sure.
0:21:36.4 AF: Definitely.
0:21:38.4 LB: You can't talk about those women without mentioning her, so, Amelia, wherever you are, if you're listening...
0:21:43.4 AF: Right, if you are listening.
0:21:45.1 LB: Because you would be very, very, very old at this point, but hey, it's a mystery.
0:21:50.4 AF: You never know, she could be picking up a radio transmission of our podcast. [laughter]
0:21:53.9 LB: You never know, man.
0:21:54.9 AF: I never thought of that. So, another person, and maybe this will round out my group, that kind of had a lot to do with my early upbringing because my mom would watch her show every day is Oprah. And now that I do interview kind of shows like Oprah, [chuckle] I understand what she... How she is such... I don't even know, just expert isn't the right word. She defines an interviewer. So, it's interesting to be doing this and then to look at her career. And the most recent interview with Megan and Harry and just seeing how all that happened, it's like a whole different level of respect and admiration. So, she would be a cool person to add to that mix as well.
0:22:44.1 LB: Girl, when you said Oprah, literally goosebumps all over, because a lot of women, I feel like want to grow up and be Oprah. I still wanna grow up and be Oprah. I wanna give people cars and I wanna talk to them. I'm on that party bus.
0:22:57.9 AF: Yeah, it's like she's a person that like she's not in a box, she's got the magazine, and she's on the cover of the magazine, and the TV channel, and the shows, and the podcasts, and the books. It's like I just... Sometimes you wanna put yourself in a box or on a certain path, and it's like, "No, you don't have to, you can do all these things," so I think that's really powerful.
0:23:22.1 LB: You talked about your mom watched her, so my mom did, too. She's always been very vulnerable about where she is in her life, because I think, too, sometimes as women, especially now, empowered women, we feel that we have to be so strong, and I have to... And I'm sure women in safety, working around guys all the time, it's like, "I have to come across in this certain way," but Oprah was like, "Look, guys, I'm going through a weight thing, I'm having relationship issues, or I'm still single or whatever," and we loved her more because of it.
0:23:58.4 AF: Right. Like the first person that brought their whole self to work, right? [chuckle]
0:24:03.6 LB: Yeah.
0:24:04.1 AF: Like what we all try to do now, yeah.
0:24:05.0 LB: Well, Abby, thank you so much for talking about the... I say safety, we talked a lot about all the wonderful things you do, but I really appreciate you taking your time and really inspiring, hopefully, some of our listeners, and it's a great conversation.
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0:25:33.0 LB: Welcome back, everyone. I am talking with Abby Ferri, and we are talking about safety and fitness today. So, I mentioned earlier this is really just a topic to kind of not talk about safety, but bonus points if they can tie in, and I think my questions still tie into that because obviously you're very busy, I'm curious as to how fitness and health... How that works into your daily life. Do you have to schedule time for it, or what's does that look like for you?
0:26:12.0 AF: Yes, I do have to schedule time for it. I actually have a standing calendar entry for myself between 6:00 and 7:00 AM, and then again, 6:00 to 7:00 PM just in case I didn't do the AM workout, I make sure there's time for myself in there.
0:26:26.6 LB: Oh, I was gonna say, you doing it twice a day?
0:26:28.0 AF: Oh, no, no. [laughter]
0:26:28.5 LB: Girl.
0:26:29.3 AF: No, it's a just in case, and sometimes you know what? Both those times get skipped, and it's just the way it is. So, yeah, I have an interesting background. In my undergrad, I went to school for Exercise Science, and I also was a member of my college's fitness team, where we were the group of people that taught group fitness classes. We teach a bunch of spin classes, I taught body pump, mat Pilates, and yoga. What else? Gosh.
0:27:02.3 LB: Please tell me jazzercise.
0:27:04.1 AF: Well, kind of, I was gonna try to explain the old choreographed, like high-low cardio aerobics kind of class, like grapevine to the right, what else? [laughter] That kind of stuff.
0:27:14.5 LB: Those are my favorite ones.
0:27:15.8 AF: Yeah. Oh, and Step classes, but I was horrible at Step classes. I'm pretty coordinated, but to cue people and to actually do the step routines with the turns and stuff, that was a tough class, so I tried to not do that one. [laughter] But, yeah, I have a group fitness background, I taught aerobics through the last couple of years of college, and I would teach also in the summers in my hometown and teach just the community ed aerobics classes. So, fitness is always a part of my life, and I'm just bad at it like everybody else, so I try to give myself some space on that. [chuckle]
0:27:58.0 LB: Well, and I think we talked earlier about turning 40 this year, and I know that regardless of what profession you may be in, whether it's safety or otherwise, as you get older, you suddenly realize that "Man, I really do have to go walk, I might sit too much at a desk." So, I saw in your book that you kind of reference cooking and all of that, do you have any favorite recipes or maybe like your favorite exercise? I know you talked about Peloton at some point, you were doing the Peloton, how's all that going?
0:28:35.5 AF: Yes, it's probably the best addition to my life in trying to get exercise. So, I finally ordered a Peloton bike last fall, and it's one of those... Everyone knows how much they are, they're just over two grand, $2000, and honestly, it was the best time I've ever spent that much money and didn't instantly regret it, so [chuckle] I love it. And it corresponds to safety because of how... When we teach in safety, sometimes people like to use gamification or other ways to get people interested and motivated. Peloton has their app and just being able to have that streak. It's done a lot for me as far as keeping me on track with fitness. And having been a fitness instructor, I completely appreciate all the instructors that are in the app. Everyone's got their own thing going on, and I appreciate that. But to add another person to my party bus, I'd like to add Dennis Morton, one of the Peloton instructors, because when I took his class for the first time, each instructor kind of has a tag line at the end that they send you off with, and Dennis Morton says, "Be good, and if you can't be good, be careful," and I thought, "Yes, that's such a safety person." [laughter]
0:29:51.7 LB: Oh, I always talk about my t-shirts and stickers, that's gonna need to be a t-shirt or a sticker for sure.
0:29:58.7 AF: Yes. Well, he has a t-shirt with it, so I keep forgetting, I have to find that t-shirt because I need it, yeah.
0:30:05.7 LB: Oh, yeah. [chuckle] To kind of tie in directly with that, we close our show with something fun, and I was trying to think, safety and fitness, what kind of fun thing can we do to tie up this conversation? And I actually got inspired from an article that you wrote where you were talking about all the Zoom meetings that we're on, and I thought, you know, this is a podcast, and maybe we could do a podcast kind of over... Like some type of Zoom workout that we can... I was thinking the Peloton fitness instructors, I don't have a Peloton, but Saturday Night Live does a really good job imitating them, so that's what it kind of played like in my head. This is before I even knew that you are a fitness instructor. I'm like, "Dang, this is just like kismet over here." I do wanna close with maybe just some exercises, and you can get as fitness instructor-y as you want. I might jump in at the end, or we'll get my sound guy to put some music in the background so people can really get motivated [chuckle], and we're just gonna do a little bit of a Zoom workout here.
0:31:21.7 AF: You got it, okay. So, if you are on a Zoom call and you have to have the video on, but you're feeling kind of antsy, 'cause this happens to me a lot where it's like, "I need to switch positions, how am I gonna do this?" For those of you that just go off video, just go off video and do what you have to do, but sometimes for me I feel like I can't turn off my video once I'm on.
0:31:42.6 AF: So, if I'm seated, one of the things I do, and oh, this is so embarrassing, I'll do like glute squeezes. Because instead of stretching sometimes, sometimes you need to work the muscle to get some relief from the held postures that you're doing. So, I'll be in a meeting sometimes and just doing my glute squeezes. [chuckle] Everyone can do that.
0:32:04.5 LB: Girl, look, I'm in a podcast and I'm doing them right now 'cause I'm like, "That is a great one."
0:32:09.0 AF: Yeah. So, we're doing our glute squeezes. You could also add some, they're called seated marches, where you're lifting your knees up, so it's like you're marching in place, but you're seated. So, this is good because a lot of us get like hip flexor tightness, and so if you're working those hip flexors, that can kind of work some of that out a little bit, it also recruits your lower ab muscles, which are often overlooked. And so, you're doing those seated marches, you're doing the glute squeezes, you could also do some isolation kind of activities with your abs, so working on... Like I used to cue it as you're sucking your belly button into your spine, so that's gonna give you a good posture. And then for women, if you wear a ponytail, you can imagine like a ponytail at the top of your head and that's kind... Or at the crown of your head, and it's kind of being pulled up a little bit, and then you'll have your nice posture, so you can work on that. In a Zoom...
0:33:03.7 LB: I don't know if you can tell, like I'm doing it right now, girl.
0:33:06.9 AF: Yeah, you've got that posture on.
0:33:08.9 LB: Alright.
0:33:09.8 AF: In Zoom meeting, sometimes you can get away with some shoulder rolls too, so that's nice, or step off the screen and do that. I also like to stand up to do like squats or lunges, I definitely get super tight, tight hip flexors. So yeah, I recommend that little circuit of workouts. And then once the meeting is over, do a forward fold to help your back, your lower back and stretch that a little bit.
0:33:34.6 LB: Yeah, some of my favorite ones on Zoom are a little probably less good for your body. But I do the eye roll practice in case someone no... No, I'm kidding.
0:33:47.6 AF: I do that too. My face is very loud sometimes.
0:33:50.8 LB: Yeah, I use my finger to practice muting people. But seriously, sometimes I like to... I know I'm getting older and stuff, like wrist twists and bends are real good, especially now that we're all working from home on smaller computers and things like that.
0:34:10.7 AF: Definitely.
0:34:12.0 LB: Make sure those are good. But Abby, this has been a blast.
0:34:16.9 AF: Thank you.
0:34:17.0 LB: I appreciate you so much, and thank you so much for talking about safety and fitness with us today.
0:34:24.5 AF: You got it.
0:34:25.9 LB: Special thanks to Abby Ferri, CSP, consultant, podcaster, and author, for being on our show today to talk about safety and fitness.
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0:36:07.9 LB: That was easy. Cool.