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Episode 12 | Safety and... Travel with Ryan David by LAPCO FR

Safety And... Travel:

Lauren sits down with Ryan David, Maintenance Supervisor in the Herbicide Industry to discuss: the importance of following protocolhow safety has evolved over the last 20 yearsfun travel stories, and play "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader" with Ryan's children.




This podcast is sponsored by LAPCO Manufacturing. LAPCO: premium workwear since 1989.




0:00:27.0 Lauren Brizendine: Hey, hey. Welcome to the "Safety And... " Podcast, a laughing and learning podcast where we talk about safety and, well, whatever topic's on your mind. I'm here today with Ryan David and today we are talking about safety and travel, which is something we did in the before times. Welcome, Ryan.


0:00:48.7 Ryan David: Hey.


0:00:49.9 LB: Do you want me to call you Ryan or should I call you RD?


0:00:53.4 RD: It doesn't matter.


0:00:54.6 LB: Okay. Tell us a little bit more about your role in safety and what your career in safety has looked like.


0:01:04.8 RD: Alright. So, first off, I'm a maintenance specialist for an industrial plant, chemical plant. And pretty much when the plant goes down, I have to go through the processes of getting it up. Which first thing that comes to mind is, first of all, I'll go walk the job, second of all, there's a lot of factors; do you need a scaffold, whatnot, and is there anything different about this job that you need extra safety precautions such as a critical lift, such as elevated work permit, etcetera.


0:01:43.3 LB: It sounds a little stressful, if I'm being honest.


0:01:46.1 RD: Nah, at times it could be. So, pretty much my role with safety is, first of all, every job we do, we say... You cannot work unsafe. You have to go home the same way you came to work. So...


0:02:04.5 LB: So, how long have you been in the safety business?


0:02:10.0 RD: I'm not really a safety...


0:02:12.9 LB: Person.


0:02:13.2 RD: Person.


0:02:13.7 LB: This is actually an interesting point I wanna make because I realize in talking to people, when I say safety professional, I think of someone who's just like you. Safety is a bigger deal in your job than it is in my job. But in talking to all of you, I realize that... Or I've been told, when I say safety professional, you guys are thinking like the true safety managers. So, I just wanted to clarify that because when I refer to you guys as safety professionals, it's just because I'm probably the most unsafe worker that exists. But I mean, I work in an office setting, I try not to get paper cuts, but... So, I do wanna clarify that. But how long have you just been in a company that requires you to just put so much energy into being safe on the job?


0:03:10.6 RD: Roughly 20 years.


0:03:12.1 LB: Twenty years, so that is quite a long time. Do you feel like you burden the responsibility for the safety of others?


0:03:22.4 RD: Yes.


0:03:23.0 LB: Can you tell us a little bit more about how you carry that burden?


0:03:29.5 RD: First of all, my job is when the plant's not running, I gotta get it running. So, of course, you spend a bunch of time optimizing things and they wanna get it running quickly. And unfortunately, that doesn't mean you could work unsafe, and that's the misperception people have that kinda work under us. They know we're working hard, they know we wanna get it done tomorrow, they know we're gonna be working late, they know we're gonna have to work the weekend and we do have to give timeline, so it is...


0:04:04.8 LB: So, how do you balance that challenge of having to be quick but also having to be safe? Because it almost feels like a bit of a juxtaposition, like, can you be quick and still maintain a safe work environment?


0:04:19.3 RD: Yeah, absolutely. You have to be prepared for the job you're about to do, you have to have all your permits in place, you have to have all of the parts there, you have to have all of the work centers there, meaning different crafts, whether you need insulators, insulation removed. As long as people are moving forward, we're doing it quick. The second somebody is really waiting because of a bad plan or whatnot, then you're working not efficient. It really doesn't matter how long it takes to do the job, but as long as it's done pretty much safely, that's all that really matters.


0:04:56.2 LB: So, what are the biggest hazards you face on your job on a day-to-day basis?


0:05:03.9 RD: Chemical hazards, probably number one.


0:05:07.1 LB: Okay.


0:05:09.6 RD: Then you could fall, pinch points. We are... There are a bunch of mechanics, so pinch...


0:05:16.0 LB: But the pinch point is just like if you get your finger pinched in the door type situation? That's kinda...


0:05:21.7 RD: Yes, but in a piece of machinery...


0:05:23.8 LB: Like machinery? Or...


0:05:24.3 RD: Machinery.


0:05:24.9 LB: Okay.


0:05:25.1 RD: Yeah. If a wrench slips or whatnot, you're in the line of fire, so nothing's really safe.


0:05:32.5 LB: Yeah. And I would imagine COVID is probably...


0:05:37.2 RD: Yeah, and that...


0:05:38.0 LB: Something else that's probably had an impact on how you work safely.


0:05:42.7 RD: Yeah, 'cause now with the mask and with mono-goggles on and safety glasses on all day, and with a mask you can't communicate the way you normally communicate. Your goggles fog up, it takes longer.


0:05:58.4 LB: Now, as someone who's been in your industry which... What specifically is your industry? Your plant manufacturers...


0:06:10.9 RD: Our plant manufacturers are herbicide.


0:06:13.8 LB: Okay, okay. So, what do you think that you could provide in terms of wisdom to younger generations? You've been doing this for 20 years, what kind of advice can you give to someone who might just be graduating college with a whole career ahead of them?


0:06:40.1 RD: Good question. When younger people go, they feel that safety's overboard, goes a little overboard. However, safety is... Changes every year. What we did 10 years ago, we do way more now in safety and it's just gonna get worse. So pretty much, if you're coming in, and I do tell this to the people, don't worry about the work, the skills that you provide, you're gonna learn the equipment, you're gonna learn how to fix the equipment, but get your permit. Make sure you lock this thing out right. Make sure you suit up when you break the line and you have all your safety clothes on, your rubber chemical-resistant boots, your gloves, your suit. As soon as you break the line, you get out of it, get more comfortable. But you're never ever gonna really get fired for not doing your job right.


0:07:42.6 RD: The second you don't have a lock on a box, meaning whenever we do break in the equipment, we put our locks in a box where no one could start that equipment. So, you know, you have a bunch of points, nobody could turn a valve and get chemicals on you because you have a lock box. So, as long as you lock it out, you abide by... You obey all of the safety permits we have, whether it's a critical lift... I mean, as long as you play by the rules, you fine, you can mess up on your job. Say, you don't fix it right, it's not a problem. But if a simple...


0:08:20.2 LB: But if you're not safe, that's a different story.


0:08:23.0 RD: Yeah, walking out the lock plan, you have to walk it out. You...


0:08:27.7 LB: Has your attitude about safety changed since when you... Maybe 20 years ago, when you might have thought like, "Oh, this is overbearing," and now you just really live and breathe it?


0:08:40.9 RD: That's why I say it now, because I see more people get in trouble for not walking a lock plan, something so simple, and then not doing their job.


0:08:53.4 LB: Yeah.


0:08:53.8 RD: So, it is important, take it serious, because if you do get hurt, it's a bad thing. Yeah.


0:09:01.1 LB: Have you ever been hurt or been part of an accident that impacted you in some type of way?


0:09:09.5 RD: I haven't been, I haven't been hurt. They had a guy that fell on one of my jobs, who was hurt significantly. And it's... I didn't see it happen; however, I was right there. You see all what goes on. You see the helicopter come get him.


0:09:30.0 LB: Oh.


0:09:32.7 RD: So, yeah, it impacts everybody around, pretty much.


0:09:36.3 LB: Yeah. I will say that the more I talk to you all, those of you who do have safety as a huge part of your job, I realize these stories are very difficult to talk about. It's a very emotional journey. I could imagine it's probably hard to go to work some days when you just, again, feel the burden of having to take care of people or even maybe having to watch someone get hurt.


0:10:13.4 RD: Well, you do get over it because it's not often you see a bad one.


0:10:17.9 LB: Right.


0:10:18.6 RD: So, if you'd see a bad one, I don't know, once a month, you probably have to reconsider your job or what you're doing.


0:10:26.8 LB: Right.


0:10:28.1 RD: But I think simply if we would have a bad one like that once a month, we wouldn't be able to operate like that. The company would probably really have to reconsider what's going on. So...


0:10:43.2 LB: Their protocols and their procedures if it were happening...


0:10:46.5 RD: Correct.


0:10:46.7 LB: That frequently. Well, it was interesting because before we talked, or before we recorded, we were talking about some of those safety procedures that you guys are going through and that your company is really going above and beyond in terms of safety. Can you share a little bit about what they're doing and how they're going above and beyond?


0:11:15.4 RD: Well, I don't know... Well, like I said, I'm not too familiar with everything we do, but I know we are a VPP Star plant, which they are very proud of it.


0:11:29.0 LB: Now can... What does... I have also noticed there are so many acronyms in this, people have acronyms on their names and VPP. Do you know what that stands for?


0:11:41.3 RD: I used to know what it stands for, but...




0:11:42.8 LB: You know what, it's fine. I can Google it. And I'm sure there are listeners screaming at us right now, but we will... We'll let you know after we Google it. [chuckle]


0:11:51.9 RD: I could pretty much... We go above and beyond OSHA standards to be VPP Starred. First of all, you can't have a bunch of recordable injuries. You can't... You have to have a lot of safety programs in place to be able to do this. And like I said, you have to go above and beyond OSHA standards, which is a lot. And they do spend a lot of time and resources everyday, every hour of the day, to ensure we remain compliant with being a VPP Star plant.


0:12:34.5 LB: Does it stand for Voluntary Protection Program?


0:12:38.2 RD: That's exactly what it stands for.


0:12:40.1 LB: How do you see your industry evolving? So, you guys manufacture herbicide, you have your VPP certified or protected, whatever the terminology is, 'cause I seem to always be getting it wrong, but how do you see that evolving, perhaps, over the next 20 years?


0:13:05.6 RD: I really don't know how much it's gonna evolve in 20 years. Like I say, they... What we used to do 10 years ago, we do it totally different now. So, it evolves without you knowing. I mean...


0:13:20.0 LB: Right.


0:13:20.4 RD: It does take longer to do something. For a five-minute job, literally, you have to go through minimum a half hours’ worth of locking out things and walking out lock plans and getting your permit. And so, I don't know in 20 years, where are we gonna be. However, I do know you're probably gonna have more safety people on the ground when we're doing the work. I'm starting to see that more often, and they're not there to micromanage what you do and how you do it, they're just there to... Just to ensure we do...


0:14:09.3 LB: Is that part of the VPP situation also, just to have more safety people? Just the more people that are dedicated to it, the better your team is or the more above and beyond you are?


0:14:21.8 RD: I just think now we have a couple of hand... More safety people. They're called the safety coordinators. Now that you have more, you see 'em more on the job, which like I said, they're not there to bird-dog you and get anybody in trouble. They're just there to really make you feel comfortable...


0:14:43.9 LB: Make sure you get home to your families...


0:14:46.2 RD: Correct.


0:14:46.5 LB: After the day. You know?


0:14:48.0 RD: Before, I used to have to make calls, now I just call an ops coordinator, not an ops coordinator, a safety coordinator, and now they make... They add...


0:15:00.1 LB: Had they... [inaudible] you said is relatively new to what you've been doing?


0:15:04.7 RD: Not really new...


0:15:07.8 LB: But just the amount and...


0:15:09.3 RD: Correct.


0:15:09.6 LB: Just how people are really investing into that type of role.


0:15:14.2 RD: Correct.


0:15:15.0 LB: Okay. So, if you could maybe go back 20 years and tell yourself some advice, or do it all over or do it differently, how might that look? What might you say to yourself?


0:15:34.5 RD: Well, you can't believe the way we used to do things.


0:15:39.9 LB: Well, I don't know, I talked to somebody who... They worked during the '70s, and it sounded like a pretty crazy time. So, I could only imagine what 20 years ago, early 2000s, no cell phones... I mean, it was probably a very different environment. I feel like people with cell phones probably get distracted at work. It's, I don't know. So, yeah, I'm curious to get your thoughts.


0:16:10.1 RD: Yeah. Being, I never really got hurt, and I did follow the protocols that they had 20 years ago, and I always believed in safety for the most part. I don't think I'd go back and... Because I never really got hurt. However, we do have old computer-based safety training modules, we have to take. So, pictures of people doing things out in the field, and this was 10 and 20 years ago. And when you look at 'em, they don't have gloves on, they don't have... [laughter] So...


0:16:52.4 LB: So, there's a little bit of irony...


0:16:54.7 RD: Yes.


0:16:54.8 LB: That they're showing this safety video...


0:16:56.0 RD: Right.


0:16:56.6 LB: From 20 years ago, where half the things they were probably not even thinking of, they're not doing.


0:17:02.2 RD: Correct. Yeah, and it wasn't in place. Certain things wasn't in place 20 years ago.


0:17:05.9 LB: That's great. I love that idea. [chuckle]


0:17:10.4 RD: I remember right when I started, they had pictures of a guy... It was one of their new safety protocols whenever they had a vessel opened up. And here you got a 24-inch manway open. And before you used to be able to just walk around with no safety harness, with no SRL, which means...


0:17:34.7 LB: What... I was about to say you're gonna have... That's another acronym. I can, again, Google it.


0:17:40.1 RD: Pretty much, it's, you got a harness on and it's something you strap to the back of your harness and hook up...


0:17:45.8 LB: Okay.


0:17:46.3 RD: So, you don't fall.


0:17:48.0 LB: Gotcha. So, fall protection, essentially.


0:17:49.9 RD: Pretty much, it's just a fall protection. So, they had a picture of the way they used to do things and they had all kind of people standing around this manway with no...


0:18:01.2 LB: Nothing on.


0:18:01.7 RD: Nothing on, but they took the picture.


0:18:03.6 LB: Oh, God.


0:18:05.1 RD: So now, the new and improved way, they hang...


0:18:09.4 LB: Oh, God. [chuckle]


0:18:09.5 RD: All these devices on top, just so you can tie up and have a harness on, but you know...


0:18:17.0 LB: Do y'all just laugh? And I also picture like if there is some computer in the scene, it's like those huge IBMs from like... That were used by Oregon Trail on or something.


0:18:26.8 RD: No, this was probably 15 years ago, so it's not...


0:18:30.2 LB: So, it's not too bad. I guess it just feels longer. So, I...


0:18:36.7 RD: The thing is, now, if you were to take that picture, you'd be fired. Everybody around would be fired.


0:18:41.9 LB: Yeah, exactly. It actually makes me think of... And I can Google this and... People always say, "Put a link in the show notes," I don't even know if I know how to do that yet. But there's actually a picture online that shows the evolution of safety, and it's a bunch of guys sitting on a scaffolding. I don't know if you've seen that picture, but kind of...


0:19:04.1 RD: In New York?


0:19:04.4 LB: Yeah. What you're describing kind of makes me think of that. So, I wanna start transitioning into some of the other stuff. And today, we're gonna talk about safety and travel. But I do like to end my interviews with two things. And the first one is, to just give you an opportunity, if you have any closing thoughts, about safety, whether it be advice, whether it be a fun story. Just anything to close that door.


0:19:44.6 RD: Not really. Biggest thing is you wanna come home the same way you went to work. Period.


0:19:49.8 LB: Yeah, I hear that. Yeah. Hopefully, listening to this podcast, right?


0:19:56.5 RD: Yeah. So, that's the biggest thing with safety. There's a reason for it. And I wish there was a number that you could put on, just say, safety glasses and hard hats, your basic things, like fire-resistant clothing. Being nobody really gets hurt every day, every month, every two months, every year, you don't have recordable injury, maybe this stuff really works. So, one of... Especially for the younger people, so that's why they're so strict with safety glasses, 'cause you don't have eye injuries, you don't have burns, you don't have...


0:20:41.0 LB: I'm learning about safety glasses, because I don't wear those ever, and I was like, "Oh, I should probably be wearing those."


0:20:48.7 RD: People are not getting stitches in their heads, and you hit your head, but... So, I wish there was a true number, being, you are wearing this stuff every day, and this stuff's been part of your PPE since the beginning of time. There's a reason for it and you're not seeing... Like I said, you're not seeing eye injuries, you're not seeing stitches in your head, you're not seeing...


0:21:12.9 LB: Yeah, and I hope that help people recognize that it's because it's working, like you said. That's great.


0:21:17.2 RD: Correct. And you do, every now and then, have somebody cut their finger, and nine out of 10, they weren't wearing their gloves. So that's... There's a reason why.


0:21:27.6 LB: I cut my finger if I think about it hard enough, so I can't blame them. But the last question I have is always something, I think, that's a fun kind of transitional question, before we really start talking about your passion for travel. But I like to ask people, if you could have dinner with three people, living or dead, real, or fictional, who would they be and why? And, no, I'm not making any judgments about you, although maybe I will. I don't know, it depends.


0:22:07.1 RD: It has to be three people, or four?


0:22:10.8 LB: Okay, I'll take four. Most people struggle with one, so I'm like, "We can spend the next 30 minutes talking about a Thanksgiving Feast of dinner guests."


0:22:22.4 RD: Nope, I'd like to have supper with my family. Period.


0:22:29.0 LB: Just all of them as they are, just because they're your family.


0:22:31.9 RD: Yeah. I don't like watching people. I'm comfortable eating in front of them, so why would I wanna be uncomfortable eating in front of somebody else?


0:22:40.2 LB: Can I just say, I love that this is such a practical answer, because I think, for me, being creative, I'm like, "Okay, well, obviously, I would pick Jesus, because I have a lot of questions. I would pick Eleanor Roosevelt because everything she did." And you're like, "You know, the people I eat with every day." I think that is... I'll let you throw in your dog as well, just because.


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0:24:00.1 LB: Okay. Let's talk about travel. I am so excited. That is something we used to do, I guess, in the before times. So, where is the best place you've ever been?


0:24:19.4 RD: Plenty of good places.


0:24:20.7 LB: Okay, I wanna know all of them. I wanna know the best restaurants. I wanna really soak this in, because are we ever gonna be able to travel again?


0:24:31.3 RD: Well, our most recent real trip was Costa Rica.


0:24:34.8 LB: Okay. Was it a family trip or friends...?


0:24:38.0 RD: No, it was a friend with the spouses, trip.


0:24:42.9 LB: Oh, fun. So, you're a beach guy? More beach? More mountain? More snow?


0:24:46.5 RD: This was perfect, it was beach and rainforest.


0:24:52.2 LB: Oooh, I've never been to rain... So, what's a rainforest like? I gotta know. I feel like creepy. I'm a little...


0:25:00.1 RD: You got monkeys, you have toucans, you have...


0:25:00.7 LB: Just running free and wild?


0:25:04.4 RD: Right.


0:25:04.8 LB: Oh wow, that is so cool. So, what are some other places you've been to? You said you just got back from Costa Rica. Are there a lot of... Obviously, traveling, flying. How is it a little different in the new normal, I should say?


0:25:25.6 RD: Oh, I have not really been anywhere, since...


0:25:28.5 LB: Since COVID, yeah.


0:25:29.9 RD: Correct. Which... Except Florida. And when we went to Florida, Florida really didn't... It was normal.




0:25:39.2 LB: They didn't get the memo that there was COVID going on.


0:25:41.7 RD: No. Pandemic... No, it was normal.


0:25:46.0 LB: Wow. Well, you know...


0:25:47.4 RD: And that was in July, end of July.


0:25:47.6 LB: Florida, right? [chuckle] Oh, during the spike, right? I think that was like...


0:25:54.5 RD: Yep. It was just like every year we went.


0:25:57.1 LB: Yeah. Wow. 'Cause Florida, right? So, what are five places perhaps, that you haven't been, that you would love to go to?


0:26:08.8 RD: Well, five places I have not been. Probably Hawaii.


0:26:13.7 LB: I would love to go there. I think... My next family reunion, I hope, is in Hawaii.


0:26:22.2 RD: Probably... Maybe... I don't know, maybe the West Coast.


0:26:33.0 LB: Like to California... There's some beautiful hiking trails...


0:26:36.9 RD: Correct.


0:26:37.4 LB: Like Seattle.


0:26:38.6 RD: Not necessarily... Yeah, I don't know if I wanna go to Seattle, but I'm thinking Washington State, going to mountains up there.


0:26:46.8 LB: Yeah. And even up into Canada, in Vancouver, has some really nice scenery.


0:26:54.1 RD: Right. But I'd definitely like to go to Hawaii, but once you've been in... I've been to the Bahamas, Jamaica.


0:27:02.5 LB: You keep saying a beach. I hear you're a beach guy.


0:27:07.0 RD: Right. You're always... I don't know. I don't know if I could name five. Definitely Hawaii, probably a couple...


0:27:14.9 LB: What about other countries? So maybe somewhere in Asia, or African safari or...


0:27:21.4 RD: Oh, I'd like, probably, an African safari.


0:27:23.7 LB: Who wouldn't? If you're listening and you're like, "It sounds awful." I don't know, maybe you have a lot of animal allergies.


0:27:32.2 RD: Ride bicycles in Italy.


0:27:33.6 LB: Yeah. Oh, that would be awesome. Or in Venice, do the little... I'm gonna call it a pirogue, but it's... I think they call it a gondola. I'm sure you've got to have some crazy travel stories and I'm gonna need one. I almost missed my plane to China once, and I was like, "That's gonna make my boss really mad if I miss this plane to China." So, what's a crazy travel story you might have?


0:28:07.3 RD: Wow. Crazy travel story. I don't know, they all ended pretty good. So, I guess, when me and my wife were on our honeymoon in Jamaica, there's... You don't watch TV, nothing's a problem.


0:28:26.1 LB: Okay. Everyone's just like...


0:28:28.8 RD: So, there was this... We came... It was way early in the morning, we were coming in the hotel and there's all of these little signs posted, there was a hurricane coming straight to the island.


0:28:40.0 LB: Oh, gosh.


0:28:41.5 RD: So, the next morning, realization hit, and pretty much we're stuck in Jamaica an extra day, 'cause we were supposed to leave.


0:28:50.2 LB: Oh. That must have been terrible, being stuck in this land of just the chillest people, for an extra day.


0:28:56.9 RD: Yeah. An all-inclusive resort with really good food.


0:28:58.7 LB: Yeah. I hope that...


0:29:01.4 RD: And the hurricane didn't hit the island.


0:29:04.1 LB: Oops. So, it was just this magical day.


0:29:06.6 RD: Just an extra day.


0:29:09.0 LB: It's so funny, because I actually got stranded on a cruise for an extra day because of a hurricane in the Gulf, and you wanna talk about... I didn't have sea sickness, but when there's a hurricane surrounding... Yeah, I got a little bit of sea sickness. And that's kind of crazy, 'cause you're with the hurricane, and the ports are closed, they're just trying to drive you all around the hurricane. So, I know how crazy that can be.


0:29:42.5 RD: Then we... I've forgotten the guy's name, he was our tour guide for one expedition we did in Costa Rica, which involved going zip-lining, going down this big water slide, riding horses, going in these mud baths.


0:30:01.8 LB: A mud bath? I'm thinking, like a pig.


0:30:06.3 RD: Hot springs, with this type of mud.


0:30:09.7 LB: Okay. Oh man, I bet that gives you a youthful glow, it sounds like.


0:30:14.1 RD: Well, this guy, we watched him save a person from drowning.


0:30:17.9 LB: Oh, wow.


0:30:19.2 RD: The horse riding was going up hills with rocks and all of the horses were slipping, and this guy was just having a good old time. When a horse didn't wanna go fast with somebody, he'd go... Come up around the side and whip him and make him jump up and rattle up. We called the guy MacGyver. He was...


0:30:39.6 LB: Oh, gosh. I totally have a mental picture.


0:30:41.4 RD: Oh yeah. He was saving people, zip-lining, he was right behind us, right in front of us, zip-lining backwards instead of forward.


0:30:51.0 LB: You've gotta love those characters. They make the trips worth it, for sure. I do have to ask you, and I'm really excited about the fun thing we have planned, but I do wanna ask you, what kind of travel person are you? Because I always find this to be very interesting. I'm the kind of person, I wanna wake up early, I have activities planned, I'm an activity person, I wanna... We're in the car at 5:30, we're gonna get there, very punctual, but then I'm often paired with someone who's like, "Oh, let's stop at the Jelly Belly factory," and I'm like, "Nope, we gotta keep time, you need to hold it in." What kind of person are you? Would we be good traveling together, or could you and I not travel together?


0:31:35.7 RD: Anybody could travel with me, because I realize that nothing's all about me anymore.


0:31:42.8 LB: Oh, that's actually... I love that.


0:31:44.1 RD: So, when we get going, it's about everybody else, which I'm game with anything anybody wants to do. Then I'll wake up early, because I know nobody's gonna wake up before 8:00, 9:00, and I like to go jog in the morning...


0:32:01.9 LB: Yeah, I'm the same. Do yoga...


0:32:06.2 RD: And just see Costa Rica at 6:00 in the morning, while jogging miles.


0:32:12.3 LB: Breathtaking, right?


0:32:14.0 RD: Same thing as New York, 6:00 in the morning in New York, jogging, riding miles. But on the way back...


0:32:24.7 LB: You're ready to go.


0:32:25.8 RD: It's about me.




0:32:29.5 RD: Well, it's not about me, because if it was about me, I would be leaving at 4:00 in the morning.


0:32:35.1 LB: We could definitely travel together.


0:32:37.6 RD: So, it's not about me. So 8:00, y'all time, 8:00, we going home.


0:32:44.9 LB: Yeah. I call it AIS. I'm gonna call it BIS, but in seat, at 7:59. At 8:00, we are driving, the car is moving. We're not getting seat belts and coffee, and I think I forgot my charger.


0:33:00.2 RD: And they could eat, but not a crack about they have a line.


0:33:03.7 LB: Yes, exactly, exactly. Well, I love it, and I... I'm gonna go into our fun thing that we're gonna do for a game, which I was a little inspired by, "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?" So, we're... [chuckle] You're shaking your head already. So, we are actually going to pull in a couple of your kids and we're going to ask you, either I'll give you a country and you can provide the state capital, or the country capital, or vice versa, and if you don't know them, I'd be curious to know if your children would. And fun fact when I looked at the list, I didn't know a lot of them. So, I'm not really... We'll see how this shapes out.


0:34:00.0 RD: Well, I have a kid in 9th grade and kid in 6th grade.


0:34:04.5 LB: Alright, 5th grade... Are you smarter...? I can tell you right now...


0:34:07.8 RD: And I have one in 2nd grade, so I don't know.


0:34:12.1 LB: I'll tell you right now, I'm definitely not smarter than a 9th grader. Kids nowadays are so smart. I know that. So, we'll grab them. Alright. Welcome back. I am here with RD, and we've been talking about safety and travel. But I am joined by his children, Eli, and Libby.


0:34:36.3 Eli: Hi.


0:34:36.9 Libby: Hi.


0:34:38.2 LB: I brought you guys here today 'cause I wanted to do something really fun. I'm going to ask your dad if he knows some of these capitals of countries and cities. And if he doesn't know, I'm pretty sure you two will, because, Eli, you said you were in world geography right now. So, no pressure there, RD. Your son's in world geography. And if Libby can spell the way that... If she knows the states the way she can spell them, I feel like you're also in trouble there. Are you guys ready to get started?


0:35:17.7 Eli: I'm ready.


0:35:18.0 LB: Okay. I'm gonna be nice, I guess. And we'll start with some countries. The city, I'll have you name the country, I'll give you the city, is Mexico City.


0:35:34.4 RD: Mexico.


0:35:35.5 LB: Alright, good job, good job. I wish I had a bell. I almost brought one. Do you all have a bell or something I can ding? It's okay. It's fine. We'll just do a little doll clap. Good job on that. Okay, Paris.


0:35:48.8 RD: France.


0:35:49.3 LB: Alright. Good job. Addis Ababa.


0:35:55.2 RD: Zimbabwe.


0:35:56.9 LB: That is incorrect. Eli, do you know what Addis Ababa the city is... Do you know the country in which...?


0:36:06.7 Eli: I'm gonna take a guess and say Saudi Arabia?


0:36:10.0 LB: No, but great guess. The answer was Ethiopia. Alright, what about Athens?


0:36:17.6 RD: Oh. Athens, Australia.


0:36:24.4 LB: That is incorrect.




0:36:28.3 Eli: It's Greece.


0:36:29.2 LB: It is Greece. Man, I want a bell so bad. I'll give you this one, RD. Panama City.


0:36:38.1 RD: Panama City, Beach Florida. No, I'm joking.


0:36:41.9 LB: I'm looking for the country.


0:36:43.8 RD: Panama.


0:36:45.0 LB: There you go. Ding, ding, ding. I hope I'm saying this right, Harare.


0:36:52.5 RD: I'll take a guess. Saudi Arabia.


0:36:55.6 LB: No. It is Zimbabwe.


0:37:00.1 RD: Oh, I just said that.


0:37:00.7 LB: I know, that's why I did that it. What about Oslo?


0:37:05.9 Eli: Norway.


0:37:06.4 LB: Yes. Did you know that one, RD, I feel like?


0:37:08.5 RD: Yes, I did.


0:37:10.0 LB: Did you?


0:37:10.8 RD: Yes, I did. That's an easy one.


0:37:12.6 LB: Yeah, who doesn't know Oslo? Well, okay, I think you did pretty good for countries. We might give him... What? What do you guys think we should give him? A B-minus?


0:37:22.1 Eli: Yeah.


0:37:22.7 Libby: Yeah.


0:37:22.9 LB: B-Minus, that is pretty good. Let's go on to states. The capital is Jefferson City. The capital is Jefferson City. I am looking for a state, so at least you know it's not Zimbabwe.


0:37:40.4 Libby: A US State?


0:37:43.5 RD: North Dakota.


0:37:46.0 LB: But if you can tell me the capital of North Dakota, I'll give you 5 fake bonus points, that I'm making up in my head. What about you, Libby? Do you know that Jefferson City is the capital of...?


0:38:02.8 Libby: Maine.


0:38:04.2 LB: Alright, you got the M right. Think about, maybe their football team is the Chiefs.


0:38:12.7 Libby: Michigan.


0:38:14.1 Eli: Minnesota.


0:38:15.6 LB: We’ve said every “M” state but Missouri, guys. We're looking for Jefferson City, Missouri. Sorry to all our listeners out there. What about Pierre? And I'm not talking about a Boudreau joke. I'm talking about, Pierre is the capital city of?


0:38:32.5 RD: Why are you picking every hard capital city?




0:38:36.0 LB: For me, that's part of the game, right?


0:38:40.9 RD: Pierre. North Dakota.


0:38:44.2 LB: So close.


0:38:45.7: South Dakota.


0:38:46.8 LB: Everybody wins. South Dakota, South Dakota. Okay, let's do a couple more. Baton Rouge.


0:38:54.1 RD: It's gotta be Mississippi.


0:38:55.6 LB: Yes, it is. But for our listeners, it is... What is it, Libby?


0:39:01.5 Libby: Louisiana.


0:39:02.0 LB: It is Louisiana, where we are. What about Juno? I feel like that's an easy one. There's some oil and gas out in this state. Now, I feel like we're just playing a different game, where I'm giving you context clues.


0:39:16.9 RD: Juno.


0:39:18.7 LB: A lot of people go ice fishing. It was like...


0:39:22.2 RD: Juno, Alaska.


0:39:23.4 LB: Yes, yes. Ding, ding, ding. Okay. And what do you all think? Should we end on a hard one, an easy one? I'm gonna let your kids actually pick the next one. Which makes you ineligible... I'll let Eli pick. So, it makes you ineligible to answer. But what... From this list, or, that you might know.


0:39:44.8 Eli: Let me think. I don't know many capitals of states, but...


0:39:49.3 LB: Do you want it to be hard, or... I'll let you decide the level.


0:39:53.0 Eli: I think we should end it off on a hard note.


0:39:56.1 LB: Oh, a hard note. I feel like a lot of these are... You look at the states and then you're like, "Okay, maybe they're not too hard." Man, I actually... I think he might be able to get this one, guys. Montpelier.


0:40:16.6 RD: Vermont.


0:40:17.2 LB: What? I thought that was gonna be hard, I really did. I feel like all of these are easy. Should I have gone with Harrisburg?


0:40:26.7 RD: Nope, 'cause I won, with Vermont.




0:40:30.4 LB: Just for fun, I'll let you get an A-plus-plus and beat the game, if you know, which I don't even know what it is, but if you can tell me, Harrisburg is the capital of...


0:40:45.3 Libby: Massachusetts.


0:40:46.8 LB: You are incorrect. You do not win the game, but...


0:40:53.9 RD: Harrisburg...


0:41:04.0 LB: I can't believe I thought the other one was easier. Now, I feel like... I guess, George Washington, maybe we all know that story.


0:41:11.5 Libby: Liberty.


0:41:12.1 LB: Yeah. Okay, but clearly, Harrisburg... We don't know what state is Harrisburg. I feel like, because of...


0:41:20.7 Libby: Did you not listen in school?


0:41:22.4 LB: Ooh.




0:41:27.8 RD: What is Harrisburg, then?


0:41:30.3 Libby: Pennsylvania.


0:41:31.9 LB: Boom, nailed it.


0:41:33.5 RD: I was gonna say Pennsylvania.


0:41:35.0 LB: I'm sure you were, I'm sure you were. Well, thank you guys so much. Everyone passes. Everyone gets an A. I really appreciate you, RD, for taking your time to talk about safety and travel with us, and I appreciate you, Eli, and Libby, for playing our fun game. Thank you... Thank all of you.


0:41:56.6 Eli: Thank you for having us.


0:41:57.7 LB: All right.




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