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Episode 20 | Safety And… Gas Monitor Competence with Jason Call by LAPCO FR

Safety And... Gas Monitor Competence: Lauren chats with Jason CallPresident of Gas Monitor Competence Training at TINOSI, Inc., about Safety And Gas Monitor Competence. We learn about Jason's journey representing various safety products from earbuds to gas monitors. Jason explains how relationships are the key to better product knowledge and how he identified a niche within the training space, leading to his current venture with To close, we test Jason's baseball knowledge since he was once a professional umpire.




This podcast is sponsored by LAPCO Manufacturing. LAPCO: premium workwear since 1989.




0:00:29.6 Lauren Brizendine: Hey, hey listeners, welcome to Safety and a laughing and learning podcast where we talk about safety and whatever else is on your mind. And today we are talking about safety and gas monitor competence with our safety champion and guest, Mr. Jason Call, welcome to our show.


0:00:51.0 Jason Call: Thank you, Lauren, thanks for having me.


0:00:54.1 LB: Well, I wanna tell our listeners a little bit about how we came to meet each other. We were actually at the recent ASSP show in Austin, Texas, where you were a speaker and you stopped by the LAPCO booth and we were just talking about what we were seeing at the show, lots around sustainability and innovation, and you got into your story around safety, which was really captivating. So, I'm excited to share that with our guests today, I'm excited to share really more about your expertise with gas monitor competence. So, it's a great show, I have a great feeling, and I'm very thankful that you're on our show today.


0:01:38.9 JC: Great. I'm grateful to be here as well.


0:01:42.0 LB: Well, let's jump into it. Now, you have a YouTube channel, a lot of our listeners might not know this, and you call yourself The Adventurous Gas Monitor Guy. So, I'm sure you've had a little bit of a wild journey to get to be known as The Adventurous Gas Monitor Guy, but I'd like you to tell our listeners a little bit more about that journey because you've been a part of some great things over the years with safety and this is just an amazing path. So, tell us more about it.


0:02:19.0 JC: Yeah, I started in safety in 1994, right after I graduated from Thunderbird, the International Management School. And I started working for Howard Leight Hearing Protection. Their earplugs, earmuffs, and I opened up Latin America and Canada for Howard. And then he brought me in to run all of marketing, and I ran all of marketing there for a while but then I wanted to jump out and go open Brazil, Argentina, Chile, 'cause I'd started with Mexico and then it was Canada, and then I ran all of marketing and then Brazil, Argentina, Chile was calling so I went and did that.


0:02:55.9 JC: And then I left the... After he sold his company, I left the safety industry for a while then I came back and for about a little over nine years, I was the Southern California and Arizona rep for BW, Honeywell's handheld portable gas monitor line. And while I was there, I realized that they really didn't have a lot of competitive information so I kind of took it upon myself to learn how all the other products out there, all the other competitive products worked. What do the buttons do? And what does the screen actually mean when it says this or that? And what are the strengths and weaknesses. So, I kinda became the walking breathing library that people would come to throughout the Americas on how do I compete with this one or that one? And so, with all that information, when I left... I left them they didn't leave me; I still love those guys. They're very supportive of what I do.


0:03:57.7 JC: And after I left there, I just started training on how to use the gas monitors to companies of all sizes. It's been quite the adventure. And then I started the Adventurous Gas Monitor Guy just because... And the whole schtick of that thing is doing tips and tricks on gas monitors from beautiful locations. So, wherever I travel, when I do my training, I just go, "Hey, I'm not that far from the Grand Canyon" or "Hey, I'm not that far from Joshua Tree." And I'll just go out there with my tripod and I'll do one of these things, and it has been a blast, a lot of fun. And it got me that invitation to speak at the ASSP where we met.


0:04:43.5 LB: Yes, well, if you ever need a guest spot in your travels, I may not be the gas monitor expert, but I can surely appreciate some beautiful scenery. Actually, that was one of the things I was really attracted to in watching some of your tips and tricks, is that you really found a way to make it relevant. I saw something, you said a gas monitors are a lot like cell phones, and so just hearing about how you had to research everything... I mean, I'm sure you know all the ins and outs and I love that analogy. Now, you mentioned in our pre-call that you've been responsible throughout your career for a lot of projects and products that we probably know about. Now, obviously gas monitors, but tell us a little bit more about some of those other products or projects that we might come across in our professional or even maybe our personal lives, I don't know.


0:05:40.7 JC: I think I'm probably more better known, I guess, within the certain gas monitor circles for doing things like opening up large utilities and large sanitation districts, Los Angeles Fire, Los Angeles County Sanitation, Orange County Sanitation. I was also the guy who trained the military in Mexico City on how to use the gas monitors and this... I was there with Homeland Security, and I didn't really know. Hopefully there's not a target on my head.


0:06:17.0 LB: Oh no.


0:06:18.0 JC: I was teaching the guys who use gas monitors, who go and burst the meth labs and stuff like that, but... No, I was also in charge of getting Howard Leight hearing protection into everybody's catalog and promoting all the new products, like when he came out with the banded hearing protector, the QB2HYG and the combination earmuff glasses. I was in charge of promoting all that and I also had an erosion control product that I invented for the [0:06:52.1] ____ service, and so I promoted that nationwide and ended up selling that out, but yeah, I'm an incurable entrepreneur, so it's kind of my shtick. [chuckle]


0:07:06.0 LB: Well, and that's again what attracted us was really just talking to you about innovation within the safety space that you've just been a part of over the years. There's so many things that we're familiar with that you had a hand in, now I'm sure you came across a lot of challenges. You mentioned you trained in a lot of international companies and in some of our previous episodes, we talk about challenges, language barriers, cultural barriers, but I'd like you to just talk about your specific challenges that you've had throughout your experience in safety.


0:07:45.2 JC: Well, internationally, I've done training all over the the... Not all over the world, throughout the Americas. I speak Spanish and French and Portuguese, so I just go wherever you need me to go.


0:07:56.8 LB: Which... Can I just pause right there? That is so awesome, by the way. I always have so much respect for people that can speak multiple languages because I've been taking Spanish for, I feel like 10 years, and I can kind of maybe order at a restaurant, but that is just always so impressive. And I know we'll talk a little bit about that later, but I'm always... I'm just kinda... I think it's cool. It's just like a Lauren cool thing. [laughter]


0:08:27.5 JC: It's a lot of fun. It has opened doors. Amazingly opened doors, but I'd say my biggest challenge that people would benefit hearing is probably if you're working for the manufacturer or even if you're working in distribution, whatever, in the safety industry or whatever your industry is, I would say really try your best to own that end user relationship especially if you're working for a manufacturer. There have been times where I didn't own the end user relationship or really have a bid on it and real relationships there, and that's opened the door to competition coming in or the distributor doing something without your knowledge despite all your work, and I would say that having that relationship with the end user level is so huge. I cannot emphasize that enough.


0:09:29.7 LB: Well, I know, speaking personally, just in designing and developing apparel, that is a huge part of understanding those functions and those features that they really not only want, but the ones that they need, so that is excellent advice. Now, you talked about the importance of relationships, so I definitely have to ask, who are some of your professional mentors.


0:09:55.7 JC: Oh, you know, the biggest one, really the most significant one, was a guy named John Dean, and he was the CEO at Howard Leight Industries before they sold out. And John was, he just was always in action. Super creative. He was the one who really helped me see the importance of and develop the ability to just get things done. And I had come right out of business school when I spoke, when I first met him, and he's just like, "Everything you learned there, throw it out." And then, "Whatever, you look, scan the competitive landscape, look at what they're all doing and do something completely different." And the excitement and the creativity of the environment that was there was really fun. The only constant was change. And another thing that he said that I found significant, this is in management, he said, "If anybody ever comes to you asking for a raise and they deserve it, you were not doing your job, they should have already had it." So that was the environment. Yeah.


0:11:14.6 LB: Wow. I love hearing stories about that kind of maverick thinking. It's very much remnant of the Apple model or Steve Jobs and even Mark Cuban, just kind of more of that, that kind of against the grain type of spirit, which I'm always very attracted to. Now, I would like you to go in a little bit because you've been in safety for... I'm trying to do some rough math, it is early in the morning, but almost 30 years is it that I might carry the one...


0:11:49.2 JC: I left it for about 10 years. I was there '94 to 2000-2001, and then I left it until... I was in erosion control and drainage pipe and things like this. I had my own erosion control company, and then in 2010, I came back. My paths crossed with Mr. Shawn Meehan, who I knew from the Howard Leight days, and I started working as the BW gas monitor guy in 2010. And then July 2019 is when I left there. So, I don't know, I guess it's 20... I don't know, 20 some years in safety.


0:12:31.0 LB: Well, between 20 and 30, we'll give it a range. My point is that this isn't your first time around the block, and I'm sure you've seen just really, things evolve in certain types of innovation, and I just want you to go into a little bit about kind of what you've experienced in the evolution of the industry.


0:12:53.1 JC: Oh my gosh, just in gas monitors. When I first was in gas monitors, I was trained first by Bob Henderson, who's the President of GFG, and Bob is a super genius in the world of gas detection, and back then, you'd be paying like two grand or so, and I think even before that, a gas monitor that does four gases and has a pump, oh boy, you're looking at three, four grand. Well, nowadays, things are so much simpler and faster, the technology is so much better, you can get a product that is four gases and a pump for less than 1000 bucks. There's actually technology now where you have a four-gas monitor, no pump, but just four gas monitor, you turn it on, it stays on for two years, you never even have to charge it.


0:13:46.7 LB: Can I please get that for my cell phone? I mean, [chuckle] something that can last for two years, but you know, you definitely make some really good points about just the accessibility that technology gives us, right? Like, the more technology that we can put into things and now it doesn't cost as much, and it's getting better and more accessible.


0:14:13.2 JC: Oh, yeah. So much easier nowadays. And then of course, the other big change, and we'll talk about this another time or maybe later, is now I'm working with Howard Leight, again, and we're introducing the world's first plant-based earplugs. And so, that's a whole different and very exciting thing going on right now.


0:14:31.4 LB: Yes, and actually, we did talk about that for a future episode. So, listeners, just know that that could be coming, because there's certainly a lot about sustainability and environmental impacts. We've started talking about it on our show, and I can definitely see that as something... As we look more towards the future that everyone will be incorporating... I mean, I say, will be. I mean, it's happening, obviously, with what we spoke about. I don't wanna give too much out, you know? Like, this is kind of a little teaser as well.




0:15:10.0 JC: Yeah.


0:15:11.2 LB: Now, specifically as it relates to gas monitors, and I know you went into a little bit on how they're evolving as just a product, but what might be some misconceptions people have about that particular product or in business?


0:15:28.4 JC: The biggest one, and this is the reason my whole company started, was people think that OSHA's confined space entry training covers you on how to use the gas monitor, it does not. And it's not OSHA's fault. It's nobody's fault. There's no way that OSHA is gonna create a training curriculum that's gonna include the, how to use every brand and model, obviously.


0:15:52.7 LB: Right.


0:15:54.6 JC: The biggest misconception is... And this is how I learned it. When I was at Honeywell, I used to get called out by people to go train their people on the gas monitors, and almost every time it was right on the tail of confined space entry training. And so, I was like, "Wait a minute, oh, they didn't teach you how to use the monitor?" And sure enough... And because I knew how to use and operate all these different brands and models, I said, "Hey, there is a huge vacuum to fill here." And so, that's what I've been doing, just companies that need training for the gas monitors. And the other big misconception I think about gas monitors, is that if you turn it on and the little green light flashes or in the case of the other brands, there's no red light flashing, that oh, it looks good, it means we can go in the hole. Well, no, and that is hugely important for people to understand. So, it's all about training your people properly on how to use the monitor, because there's...


0:17:00.1 JC: You know, if you buy... If you're a large company and you buy a bunch of gas monitors, sure, the rep will come out and do that, but a year later you have got a couple of new hires, you need a refresher training, it's really hard for those guys to get out there, because they're too... They don't have the bandwidth. And...


0:17:18.6 LB: Right.


0:17:20.0 JC: There's a few distributors who do training, but they only do training on their particular gas monitors or... And there are distributors who focus specifically on gas monitoring, typically. It's very rare that distributors can really do. So, distributors and manufacturers will point companies to me, they'll point users to me. And I don't sell anything, so I'm always... I'm never considered a competitor or anything by anyone, so they just use me, so... Yeah. Those are the biggest misconceptions, I'd say, thinking that confined space entry training covers you on how to use the gas monitor, it does not, and thinking that if the monitor turns on and it looks and sounds and feels like it's working right, that it's ready to go. It is not.


0:18:07.9 LB: Yeah, it definitely sounds like, they're so much more into it than maybe what you're seeing, and obviously you are the guy to know. And I think it's great that you took your expertise and really identified a niche, because that to me is at the heart of innovation is seeing where you can come in and make your industry better. So, I really like hearing how you did that. Now, I wanna ask you what in your opinion, or should I say how in your opinion can we make safety more relevant? Because that was a little bit of a discussion we talked about in the pre-call, because I really do love your YouTube channel, like, it has... Now, I'm a champion of safety in my interviews, and it drew me in, the YouTube channel drew me in, and they're quick, and it just made me think about even this podcast and just the relevancy that you need to have with safety and how you're communicating it, but I'd like to get your thoughts a little bit more on relevance in safety.


0:19:16.0 JC: Yeah, you know, you just have to make it more appealing, more interesting, more fun, more engaging. And it can't... I stay far away from... And even in some of my marketing materials also I'll write, "No brain fry." I stay far away from...


0:19:33.7 LB: Yes.


0:19:35.1 JC: Brain fry or getting too scientific. I mean, honestly, the guy who's going down in a manhole does not care how many atoms there are in an H2S molecule. We don't need [chuckle] to go into that kind of thing.


0:19:44.1 LB: Well, you know, I will say though, if anyone wants to be on the show and talk about that, I'm always willing to listen 'cause I mean, I could learn about that for sure, but I agree with you, like, and...


0:19:56.5 JC: Yeah, but you gotta keep it short and you gotta keep it simple, and you gotta keep it fun and engaging, and that's the thing about... My classes are less than two hours long, and for the cost of one gas monitor, you can train up to 20 folks, and I don't go into too... I don't get too scientific. I don't get too far off on that. I could, and if I'm with the right company, I'm with the right people, yeah, I can go down that path. But no, for the guys, just keep it really quick, simple, focused like a laser beam and just so they get it. And there's a test too, obviously, and they gotta pass that test, and as long as you're keeping it fun and interesting, then yeah, that makes safety a whole lot more relevant to these guys.


0:20:50.6 LB: Well, you're about to get me signed up for training in a gas monitor, and I'm not even sure of what I'd use it for, but no, your videos were very cool and it's very clear to me that you are passionate. And that is one thing within every interview that is so important, is really just that passion for safety, that love for innovation, it always makes for a good time. Now, I do wanna dig a little bit deeper into gas monitor confidence, especially after the break, but before we go to the break, tell us a little bit maybe about some personal or professional projects you're working on.


0:21:34.0 JC: Well, right now, my mind is split between the gas monitor thing and the ear plug thing, and the ear plug thing is really starting to take over. As I told you, I worked for Howard Leight from '94 to '99 before he sold his company. And he was out of the business for some 20 years and called me a few months ago and says, "Hey, I wanna get back in, I wanna... I've got some new ear plugs." And at first I thought, "Another ear plug? That's all we need on the market." And then he said the magic word "plant-based." I said, "Wait," he's got a plant-based material and these ear plugs... I've got one in my hand here; these ear plugs are... Their performance and feel and touch, they're NRR 32 independently tested, and every part of it, the ear plug itself, which the foam is... You can't tell the difference between your traditional petroleum-based ear plug and this thing. The ear plug, the stem, the chord, the bag it comes in, all plant based. It's...


0:22:39.1 LB: Oh wow.


0:22:41.2 JC: We go live on October 15th. That's the target date to go live with sales on this thing.


0:22:48.2 LB: Well, best of luck with that, and I know it's gonna be great because I've seen them. And similar to y'all... You know what, y'all are good in sales because similar to your training, I'm like, "Maybe I need to get some plant-based ear plugs." And I know you're also traveling too. You're going on a trip, so I'm sure you're also or you will be working on some more gas monitor, Adventurous Gas Monitor Guy tips as well.


0:23:16.9 JC: Yeah, yeah, I will be in San Antonio pretty soon, and I've got, believe it or not, 10 classes in the San Antonio area coming up in the next couple weeks. And then all next week I'll be in Querétaro and Guanajuato, Mexico where my great-grandmother was born. And I'm gonna find some places to make some cool videos, definitely. And the things about this thing is you get to write off all those miles and everything, it's awesome.


0:23:43.2 LB: Well, again, if you need a co-host, I have vacation time, so we'll make it work.


0:23:51.3 JC: Yeah, alright.


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0:24:43.2 LB: Welcome back, listeners. I am with Jason Call today, and we are talking about Safety and Gas Monitor Competence. And so, we will go a little bit deeper into gas monitor competence, so you have a website that is And I'd like you to tell our listeners what they can find when they go to your website.


0:25:10.3 JC: Well, you'll start by seeing a picture of a whole bunch of different brands and models of gas monitors, and that is where you'll find some of the information about what the class includes, the cost. You'll be able to contact me directly. You'll be able to schedule a class, at least initiate the process of scheduling a class. You'll be able to see basically the curriculum of that and some information about why the class even exists. There's also articles on there. There's a link for some videos. There's actually a link for some of the YouTube videos, even though they're separate entities. But yeah, you'll find quite a bit on that website and it's just... It's a really good-looking website, I have to say.


0:26:06.0 LB: Alright, well, shout out to website. And now, I know you're located in California, you said you'll be in San Antonio, you're also going to Mexico. Now, do you do training, obviously all over the United States, but do you also do it in the North Americas as well?


0:26:25.2 JC: Yeah, yeah, I do it all over the place, and it doesn't matter as long as I can get there. Now, I was doing all of my classes in person, and of course because of COVID it got pushed to online. I was really concerned that it wasn't gonna go very well. It went surprisingly well. So, I will do them on Zoom teams, Google Meet, whatever works for you and your company. I prefer in person, but it really is just as effective to do it online, it's been really good. And then pretty soon I'm going to have an on-demand, self-paced course online. So, that is probably just a few weeks away, if everything goes right, it's actually harder to put together those things than I thought but yeah, we're gonna have that as well.


0:27:14.0 LB: Well, that sounds like a lot of great things coming up the pipeline. Now, I'm gonna circle back to this. You're... I don't even know if it's bilingual. Is it trilingual? Is it quad-lingual? You're very lingual in a lot of different languages. Yes, is that what it is? I'm gonna need to look this up, but was it from your training that you were able to learn all these languages or how did you... Or what inspired you to learn so many languages?


0:27:48.5 JC: Yeah, a polyglot, that's the word, a polyglot, is how we...


0:27:51.2 LB: Okay. Well, I'm so glad you knew it because I will be honest listeners, I did start sweating. I do like to do a lot of research before, and that was not something I researched. So, a polyglot, okay.


0:28:05.7 JC: Two languages, people actually say bilingual. It's actually a diglot, D-I-G-L-O-T, a diglot, yeah. Little trivia there. Yeah.


0:28:11.7 LB: A diglot?


0:28:16.0 JC: But yeah, I started studying Spanish when I was 14. My mother is of Mexican and English descent, she looks very Latina. And everybody assumed looking at her that I learned it from her, she doesn't speak a word of Spanish. It's so funny, we go to Mexico and I'm doing all the talking, and people are looking at us real funny. But I started learning Spanish at 14, and in middle school, junior high school, and then I was an exchange student to Ecuador in high school. And then I went to UCLA for Spanish and linguistics. And I got really involved in an international business there in an organization called ISAC, and that sent me on an internship, two internships in Mexico City. So, I lived in Mexico City for about nine months the first time. And then, actually going back, I started learning French in high school while I was taking the higher levels of Spanish, and then when I was taking Spanish and linguistics at UCLA, I added my French there more.


0:29:20.8 JC: And then when I came out, I went to Thunderbird International Management School, so I got the MBA International, and then I came out and Howard hired me. And then Brazil came up and is like, "Well, I better learn Portuguese." And it was like, it took no time. It's that third or fourth language, it's just like, "Okay, yeah, I know how this works." So yeah, I did a lot of training in Quebec in French when I was managing Canada, and then I had to do Portuguese. And so now, yeah, I do all the classes in whatever language somebody needs me to do it in.


0:30:02.1 LB: Well, watch out if they send you to Shanghai because you'll be speaking Cantonese or Mandarin before you know it, that is just really...


0:30:11.7 JC: My little one speaks Mandarin; my wife speaks Mandarin. It's so hard, Mandarin is one I just can't get my head around. I can speak enough Japanese to goof around with, and I can speak some Korean. But Mandarin, I don't know what it is. It's just really, really hard.


0:30:32.9 LB: Well, for me, it's the symbols. At least with Spanish, which I'm... Hey, I'm still taking, I'll learn it one of these days. But at least I know the alphabet. But I mean, I've seen the characters, I guess they're called, they're... The Chinese alphabet, and that is where it gets a little mind-blowing for me. So, that is way cool that your family speaks that. I feel like I'm already getting into the personal aspect of the show. But I will talk a little bit more about the personal aspect before we get to our palate cleanser because they're a little bit intertwined.


0:31:10.7 LB: Now, in our pre-conversation, in addition to all of the great professional work you've done in safety, you did have a interesting caveat away from safety regarding baseball, and being an umpire in baseball. So, I want to talk a little bit about that, and then we're gonna wrap up this show with a little bit of a baseball quiz. But tell us about your... Well, I don't wanna... I already said it, you're an umpire or you were, but tell us more about that for sure.


0:31:44.7 JC: Yeah, I started umpiring when I was 15 in little league, and stuff. But I went to the pro school in Florida, and I went all the way up to... I had the Houston Astros rookie team against Loyola Marymount University, I was behind the plate. That was the highest I went, but I did some Pac-... Back then it was pac-10, now it's pac-12. But I did some of that. I was locally here, I was on the board, and one of the instructors for the High School Umpires Unit. So yeah, 35 seasons. And if you ever have any questions about any of the rules, I'm always here. I love when people ask me questions about the rules.


0:32:23.4 LB: Well, we are about to do that, but before we get into it, Jason, I just wanna say thank you so much for being on our show. They know where they can find you at But are there any other places where they can reach you?


0:32:39.0 JC: Yeah, you can call me. My phone number is 626-209-9644. 626-209-9644, operators are standing by.


0:32:54.7 LB: [laughter] You were reading my mind, I was like, "Oh my goodness, the first phone number given out over the podcast." And you really delivered on it, I will say that. It's great.


0:33:07.1 JC: And then my email is That I'm not gonna go into that. Tinosi is the parent corporation. But T-I-N-O-S-I. T as in Tom, I, N as in Nancy, O, S as in Sierra,


0:33:25.0 LB: Well, I always like to ask because we have made some really great connections with the podcast. A lot of people will reach out afterwards and say, "Hey, we heard your episode on this. Do you mind sharing that contact?" And I say, "Well, I don't have to share, I'll just start asking my guests to share." Because that means that a lot of people are connecting, and that's really one of our goals with the show, so thank you again.


0:33:50.1 JC: Thank you.


0:33:50.2 LB: Now, for the fun part, y'all. So, I pulled up this quiz called Basic Baseball Rules, and I'm sure you are gonna get all of these right. I was kind of looking at 'em. I knew a few, but then there were some, I was like, "Oh, okay, I don't know. I don't know about these." Okay, so here we go. Are you ready? Obviously, you are. I think I'm more nervous because I'm with the expert, so I'm like, I wanna pick the hardest questions, but I also like to set up everyone for success. So, I'm really... I'm really trying to get there. We have some good ones. Okay, so now this is a true or false, which I feel like is a nice easy kind of starting question, but true or false? Before every...


0:34:47.4 JC: True. [chuckle]


0:34:47.5 LB: Oh my God, that is correct. Before... [laughter] I'm like, "No, that's it, guys. There's no hope for me. You are that good. He knows that the question before it even comes." Now, true or false? This is actually really interesting, but before every baseball game, all baseballs used are rubbed with a light coating of mud. Now, I've never heard of this, so I don't know, what do you think? True or false?


0:35:20.5 JC: Those guys rub their hands raw because the pro guys have to sit there and rub up about 50 balls before the game, and yes, they use the mud from a particular, I think it's a, they call it Mississippi mud or something like that. It's to... When the ball is manufactured, it has kind of like a sheen on it, and it's not good for grip. So, you have to use... You have to rub up a baseball before you give it to the pitcher and yeah, they rub up a whole bunch of 'em before the game even starts.


0:35:47.7 LB: Well, yes. Please add a ding, Chris, our sound guy. Because yeah, it is true. It says it's been done in major and minor league games for over 40 years. It's called the Lena Blackburne Baseball Rubbing Mud, is actually what this website says. I'm sure they use Mississippi mud too, but...


0:36:11.1 JC: I use spit and dirt, that's my thing. [laughter]


0:36:13.8 LB: Yeah, there's all kind of different things you can use. So now, another question we have is, the ball is hit over the outfield fence in fair territory, and one of the outfielders catches it. Is it a home run or is it an out?


0:36:34.2 JC: Well, if you ever wanna see a really good example of that, Google, go to YouTube and find Gary Pettis for the Angels. He jumps up, reaches back over the fence and catches the ball. I was there at the game, and I saw this in person. Yes, you can reach over the fence and catch that ball before it touches the ground or anything beyond that wall, and you got yourself an out, not a home run, and a very angry batter.


0:37:03.4 LB: And also, let's talk about the crowd when that happens. It's like you thought your team was really gonna have this kind of home run, and then he's out and man, I did ask that one a lot when I first got into baseball. I'm like, "Why is he not out? Why's it not a home run?" But yes, you are correct. Now, I have a little bit of a... I don't know if I should do a multiple choice, but I will certainly give you one if necessary, because this is pretty specific, but how many stitches does a regulation baseball have?


0:37:43.5 JC: That is not in the book. But yeah, I really don't...


0:37:49.2 LB: I'll give you a multiple choice. I'll give you a multiple choice. Okay. Is it 108 or 216 double stitches? Is it 119 or 238 double stitches? Or is it 73 and only 146 double stitches?


0:38:09.4 JC: Oh my gosh, I don't know. [laughter]


0:38:12.2 LB: I kind of like this one. I feel like this was a great way to bring apparel and stitching into the conversation. We're talking about SPI, stitches per inch, I'm really into this collection.


0:38:24.9 JC: I would go with the higher number on that. Definitely not in the 70 level, that wouldn't close up your baseball. Yeah, I'd go in the 200 range.


0:38:36.3 LB: Well, it is the middle number, it's the 108 or 216 double stitches in a regulation baseball.


0:38:44.9 JC: There you go. There you go.


0:38:46.7 LB: You know what? I hate to say this, Jason, I needed to have one that stumped you.




0:38:54.7 LB: Alright, now we are gonna end on this question, which could cause a lot of debate, but I'm just going from a website. It is a true or false. Now, we know that you like to... You know them usually before I ask, [chuckle] but the last question is, if you hit a baseball and run to second base and stay there with no error on the play, what is it ruled as? Is it ruled as a single, a double or a triple?


0:39:28.5 JC: Okay. You hit the ball and he ran to second. It didn't say he ran to first base. Okay. That's a problem. [laughter]


0:39:35.7 LB: Oh, okay. First of all, I love how surprisingly this became a trick question because I'm just looking at what's in front of me, but... Yes, you are correct. So, if the baseball player does that, I think you have bigger problems than what's the call on the field. Right?


0:39:53.4 JC: But guess what? He's safe. The only way that that guy is out is if the defensive team appeals or tags him or touches first base and says, "Hey umpire, he never touched first base." Then he's out. But if a runner were to run directly to second or even hurdle over first base on the way to second, so he's just standing there, as soon as another pitch is thrown to the next batter, too late, he's safe and he's on second.


0:40:23.0 LB: So, wait a minute. So even if he were to run straight to second base and immediately they hit the ball, he's good to go?


0:40:32.6 JC: Yeah, if he were to go to second base and the defense did nothing about it... 'Cause in order for him to be out, the defense has to do what's called an appeal and they have to say, "Hey, ump, he didn't touch first base." Tagging him or tagging first base. And if they don't do that, running direct to second, it's just the same as [0:40:55.3] ____ first base.


0:40:57.2 LB: I'm just thinking in my mind, it looks more like the batter just hits it and goes straight b-line past the pitcher, which makes it more comical in my head. But this has just been so great and thank you for playing this palate cleanser, which is appropriate because it's actually, I think this is the last month for baseball. Right? We're in October now.


0:41:23.6 JC: Yes. There's only [0:41:23.7] ____ left of the regular season. Yeah.


0:41:25.5 LB: I'm glad we got to end on a bit of an apropos note, although some of those questions were just kind of... They were all fun. They were all fun and you were a great sport, and I'm very appreciative for you being on the show. Thank you again so much, Jason.


0:41:42.8 JC: Thank you for having me, it's been a pleasure and a lot of fun. Thanks, Lauren.


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0:43:25.8 LB: That was easy. Cool.